Nomad 4: First Impressions, problems, solutions, and enhancements

Top Cover:

I got used to running my N3 without a dust collection hose. When I received my N4 I ran it through a couple of shakedown cuts. Unlike the N3, the N4 has a large opening at the top (about 17" x 3"). This was designed to allow passage of a dust collector hose. …but if you don’t have one (yet), then dust will go absolutely everywhere. (Ask me how I know)

In any case, I worked up a two-tiered solution to help minimize the dust problem while I worked out a dedicated dust collection solution. (I think a proper dust collection solution will require a stiffer hose than the Rockler solution most are using. The hose will want to be stiff so it maintains an arc coming out of the top of the case or it will drag across the opening and cover. Maybe also a support structure to help maintain/optimize the alignment. Maybe even a rigid 3D printed duct from the dust shoe up and out of the case. Stay tuned…)

Anyway, Tier 1 is simply a slotted cover which allows full movement of the spindle yet reduces the opening to a minimized slot area.

Tier 2 is the addition of a rotating cam panel that pivots as the spindle moves to close off the rest of the unoccupied parts of the slot. (You can use Tier 1 without Tier 2 if that is all you want/need).

The lower “slotted” panel is laser cut from 3/16" acrylic as that matches the height of the lip created by the sides of the enclosure pretty closely. You can cut the upper “Cam” plate from even thinner acrylic (1/16") if you want to reduce the weight and friction (although there isn’t much to begin with). (Take a file/sandpaper to the upper/lower edges on the Tier 1 and Tier 2 “slots” such that the corrugated wrap on the spindle cable doesn’t drag on it. Maybe also the corners at the outside of the cam so it doesn’t snag on the sides of the enclosure. You can also wrap the corrugated wrap with electrical tape to help smooth that surface as well.) The pivot is 3d printed and should be centered on center line about 136mm back from the rear edge of the slot. Here are the files required to make this top baffle. [The Top Baffle has been updated to incorporate a couple of lightening holes]:

Top Baffle.dxf (661.8 KB) [*Updated]

Top Baffle Pivot.stl (208.8 KB)

BitZero Holder:

No big deal, but a holder for the BitZero is a nice thing to keep stuff organized. To hold the magnetic probe ground, I have little adhesive-backed metal disks specifically designed to attach magnets. However, a little washer with double sided tape on the back would work just as well. Here is the 3D print file for the BitZero holder:

BitZero Holder.stl (1.8 MB)

Remote Pendant:

Its nice not have to be jumping back/forth to the keyboard to jog the N4 (or N3). I’ve tested several generic keypads to use as a remote pendant and found that you really want a remote that doesn’t simply “generate a keystroke”. If all your remote keypad does is generate a key each time it is tapped (or generate that key over-and-over if it is held, you will spend your time tappety-tapping to move your spindle. (Unfortunately, this is how most remote keypads with wheels/knobs function).

What you really want is a keypad that fully emulates a keyboard. One that issues “Key Down” for a particular key when pressed and then “Key Up” when released. This will make your jogging motions nice, smooth, and controllable (just like the Carbide Motion interface when used with an actual keyboard). It also nice if the keypad supports custom images on each key.

I found this great little keypad for less than $50 at Amazon. It supports “Key Down” and “Key Up” (via the “Super HotKey” assignment) and also lets you make nice custom images for each key. It works great!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F59WH24Y

Here is the collection of key images I created for the keys you see in the photo:

VSD Keys for Nomad.zip (22.9 KB)

Rolling Table

I use a rolling tables for a bunch of machines in my shop (inc Two CNC Routers, Three Galvo Lasers, a Sublimation Printer, a Vinyl Cutter, a Soldering/Rework Station, and a Heat Press Station). My rolling work table for the N4 is set up so that all I have to plug in is ONE Power Cable and ONE USB cable when I roll it up next to my PC workstation. (These tables used to be less than $150 but, you know, “tariffs”…)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1U8VCM

I use a little power strip mounted on the side of the table such that I only need to toggle 1 power switch (on the strip) to turn everything on. This includes both the N4 and a little USB 2.0 hub.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XXNHDW6

A little USB 2.0 hub is also attached to the back of the table to take a single USB feed from the PC and split it to be used both by the N4 and the Remote Keypad. As the N4 and the Keypad both only use USB 2.0, you really don’t want to use a USB 3.0 hub for this. USB 3.0 will be much more finicky in the long run (and 3.0 is subject to and generates higher frequency interference). Go with USB 2.0. Its simpler, cheaper, and more reliable.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000T9S4CI

Threadable Spoilboard (Clamping)

Here is the layout I use to laser cut a Threadable Spoilboard from 1/8” PressBoard. These inexpensive boards are great for clamping stuff directly to the table as all threaded table holes are accessible while also providing 1/8” of protection.

Spoil Board (Threadable).dxf (775.9 KB)

Spoilboard (Tape)

Here is the layout I use to cut a spoilboard for mounting projects with double sided tape. I have lots of left over Melamine so that is typically what I use.

I do a dimensional cut on my table saw and then mount the board to my N4 worktable using double sided tape. I then run a job to cut the holes and counter sinks – but NOT all the way through and just stopping a MM or two before the bottom of my spoilboard for safety. I finish the through holes (now that I have them located) using a drill press. I then mount the spoilboard back into the N4 (with M6 Cap Screws) and run a 0.5mm surfacing job (slightly oversized) to take off the Melamine and level the surface. (I also run this job any time the spoilboard needs to be resurfaced.)

Note that there are two different layouts here. One is fully symmetrical (and 10mm shorter on one side) and the other covers the full worktable. You may need to use the “symmetrical” spoilboard if your N4 is unable to zero (Bitzero) the left edge of your worktable as it was shipped from the factory (a solution for this follows):

Spoil Board (Full).dxf (732.8 KB)

Spoil Board (Symmetrical).dxf (732.8 KB)

End Stops

Much to my surprise, when trying to set up a surfacing job for my “full size” spoilboard, I found that the N4 (as shipped from the factory) would not BitZero anything aligned with the left edge of the worktable. The probing bit (and carriage), simply wouldn’t travel far enough to the left to make contact with the left edge of the centering hole in BitZero. The carriage would simply crash into the end stops before the bit would make contact. The carriage was physically limited in leftmost travel so it could never reach the outside of the BitZero hole. “Someone” designed the left-most end stops just a couple of MM too far to the right. (Maybe they put the center of the left side end stops where their right edge should have been?) Bummer!

I talked with Support about this at detail. Ultimately their solution was to effectively disable the end stops (a safety feature). They wanted me to move two of the cap screws on the left side ball screw housing out of the way of the end stops. These are what make contact with the end stops. (Curiously, their in house “customer test” N4 already had this done – unlike the units being shipped).

If I did this, then the carriage could effectively crash into the left wall of the enclosure as there would no longer be anything to make contact with the end stops. It also would also place the mounting points on the ball screw housing off center. My thought was, if we are going to render the end stops non-functional, why not just remove them without unnecessarily compromising the ball screw housing in the process? I was not happy about disabling the end stops in any case.

A quick solution was to simply move the left edge of my spoil board a little bit to the right. Moving it 10mm makes the board “symmetrical” so that is what I chose as a quick solution.

…but I found a more permanent solution. My BitZero needed only a couple more mm of gantry travel. Just about the width of the top lip on the end stop cap screws. (Hint, Hint). I found by replacing the left side end stops with simple 20mm threaded studs (thereby eliminating the added width of the cap), I could run my BitZero properly on the left corner of my work table – even with the 1/8” probing bit – just as it should have been designed in the first place. These new end stop “studs” allowed me to use BitZero on the left edge of my worktable while still preventing the gantry from colliding with the right side of the enclosure (just barely).

By my measure, the threaded cavity is about 12.5mm deep. That leaves about 7.5 mm protruding if these 20mm studs are run all the way in. The original heads on the cap screws are 6mm tall. My testing indicates the additional 1.5 mm is not an issue. Visual examination also seems to confirm this.

In the photo above you will see these studs with a little slot I had cut so I could work them with a straight bladed screwdriver. The product link I provided below is for 20mm M6 set screws (with a hex cavity) which would is even more perfect (as you don’t have to cut a slot). My replacements will be arriving tomorrow…

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKYR9QQQ

Note that you will want to test your own N4 as a couple of MM of difference would make all the difference.

  • Remove anything you have on your worktable and make sure it is clean.
  • Put your 1/8” probing bit into the spindle
  • Position your BitZero on the left front corner of your worktable
  • Use Carbide Motion to drop the probing bit into the center of the BitZero hole (exactly like you would to start a probing operation)
  • Turn off your N4 (to disable the steppers)
  • Manually rotate the lead screw to move your gantry all the way to the left until it hits the end stops
  • Does the probing pin contact the left side of the BitZero hole? (Mine was off by about 2-3mm)
  • You MIGHT have better luck with the ¼” inch probing bit – but it SHOULD have been designed to work with either in any case

Wrenches

Anyone else get these ridiculous wrenches with their N4? I don’t know how much torque you need on your spindle nut, but these are way over sized for my needs. Its like someone needed 16mm and 22mm wrenches in a hurry and they ran out to Harbor Freight…

These are the type wrenches that should have been provided:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G3PT47HJ

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G3PZ4TNN

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Would a thick brush strip over the top slot work well enough? I’m trying to think of options that would not require bumping around acrylic plates.
(I’m sure the acrylic would be ~fine in the long run but it doesn’t feel great to turn the vacuum hose out spindle cable into an actuator for a big lever, especially if something gets set on the machine and jams it up)

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The slotted plate with a brush would work well I expect. …but I have plenty of acrylic and no brush. :wink:

I originally thought about a brush strip but the acrylic plates are pretty light and they slide real easy over each other. There isn’t much force required. Maybe even less than hauling around a vacuum hose. (Acrylic is slippery by nature). While the slotted plate should be 3/16" thick (for dimensional requirements), the upper cam plate could be even thinner (1/16") if you wanted to reduce friction even further. …and you can run without the cam plate for pretty substantial dust reduction if you wanted.

…and the cable itself is not really carrying any load. The spindle cable is covered with TWO layers of corrugated plastic shielding (from the factory) so the load (minimal) is really on the fairly substantial spindle connector at its base. I pulled back the corrugated covers and wrapped the top of the connector with soft double sided tape and then reseated the corrugated covering on top of the tape. I then wrapped the corrugated covers with electrical tape from the connector up about 12".

The double-sided tape makes sure the corrugated covering doesn’t slide off the connector (as was happening even without the acrylic). The electrical tape ensures the corrugated covers are firmly clamped around the double-sided tape (for good adhesion) and also smooths out the corrugations as the spindle moves up and down through the slot.

I’m working on a vacuum-based solution but I’m pretty happy with this as an alternative.

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In the spirit of your concern (thanks), here’s an alternative design with a Top Cover Cam plate incorporating some lightening holes. I cut it out of 1/16" acrylic to test and its coverage is good! [The download in the original post has been updated to include this design]

Top Baffle.dxf (661.8 KB)

Just some extra information in case you want to leave some options open in your customization:

This is the dust collection adapter I’ve been working on to allow a standard Sweepy v2 to be fitted to the spindle. The kit we put out will likely include a meter or so of hose that will be anchored where the spindle cable is fixed at the back of the machine. There will be a fitting that should accommodate most 2.25" and 2.5" hoses but I can provide a 3D print file for other sizes if you need it. I’m expecting to have it available in a few weeks.

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Thanks! That looks nice! However, I would mount your ducting on the right side of the spindle - not the left. As documented above, the left side of the spindle needs to get pretty close to the left wall of the enclosure if you want to use a BitZero on the left edge of the worktable. I think the right side of the spindle has a little more working room.

I just got my vacuum hose a few hours ago. I wanted a stiffer hose than the very flexible Rockler hose that most folks are using. (I also have the Rockler). Unfortunately, the hose I received was smaller than I expected (less than 1" ID). I ordered another hose with a specified 1-1/4 inch ID (same as the Rockler but stiffer). It won’t be here until Friday.

So, needing something to do, I worked up a nice curved hose guide which will support the Rockler so it won’t kink. It mounts to the side of the enclosure (rather than the rear) using existing screw holes. I wanted to feed from the side so I could just lay it right into the slot with a gentle guide. If you want to come from the back, you need a relatively stiff hose to maintain the curve. …but the Rockler is flexible enough that I should be able to zip tie it to my guide, drop it through the right side, and have it easily flex/expand through the entire spindle range.

I have my guide/mount printing now on both my PLA Printer (Bambu) and my ABS Printer (Prusa). It will be done by morning. Once I make sure it fits and works as expected (or tweak it as required) I’ll post a photo and the STL files here.

I’m also working on a completely 3D printable duct (in a single piece) that will come from the Sweepy and up and out of the enclosure. It will clamp/strap to the right side of the spindle for stability. The profile extending through the enclosure will be sized to maintain the same cross sectional area as the suction port on the Sweepy (no reduction if possible). I expect I will have to transition from a circular profile to a rectangular profile to maintain the cross sectional area as well as minimize the width of the duct (for side clearance as it passes through the enclosure). It will be long enough to allow the spindle full travel up/down and the vacuum hose will be attached outside the enclosure. (Wish me luck!)

OK, Here is my Nomad 4 vacuum solution for use with the Rockler Dust Hose.

I tested this with my Rockler hose and it works pretty well I think. The hose guide ensures a gradual bend so as not to kink or pinch the Rockler hose. I tested it to easily function for the full travel of the spindle (left/right & up/down inclusive). I suggest moving the gantry all the way to the left, lower the spindle completely, and stretch the hose to its “comfortable” extent. Then lock its position on the hose guide using a zip tie. That way, when the gantry moves all the way to the right and the spindle moves up, the hose will simply collapse to its minimal length. I also have my Sweepy rotated slightly off center - just enough so it doesn’t touch the window when the gantry is up against the right side end stops.

I also just finished up a design for additional Hose Ends for the Rockler (which thread on like the originals). IMHO: There is an unnecessary amount of hardware currently used to attach the Rockler to the Sweepy and I’m not a fan of all the bulky quick connect crap. I have 2 hose end adapters printing now. One of these will allow the Rockler hose to be connected directly to Sweepy. The other is a standard 2-1/4 shop vac adapter (cause “why not” as I already had the threaded part done anyway…). I will post these in a few hours once I confirm (or adjust) fitment.

The hose guide is 3D printable without supports as it is in 2 pieces. The holes which join the two pieces (bracket and guide) are sized for #8 screws which should be 30-45mm long. (I’m using #8 x 1-1/2" pan head wood screws)

The hose mount bracket is not symmetrical as the hose favors being all the way forward in the slot for best clearance with the spindle. (The screw mounting holes on either side of the slot are also not symmetrically placed). If someone would prefer to have a hose mount bracket to use on the left side, I can mirror the file if requested. The hose guide itself will work on either side.

While coming in from the side actually works best for me, it also provides a relatively straight and unobstructed path to the spindle/sweepy. Coming in from the back will inevitably want to drag the hose back and forth and up and down across the back of the opening. If you want to come in from the back, you are going to want to use a stiffer hose to help maintain clearance. Coming in from the side is the best option I think for very flexible hoses like the Rockler.

The assembly screws onto the enclosure frame using existing screw holes. However you will need slightly longer M4 screws as the support bracket adds an additional 5mm (25mm work fine). Don’t screw down on those side screws too tight as they are only going into threaded sheet metal. If you want to have a “torque fest”, you will want to add some backing nuts.

Hose Guide.zip (629.2 KB)

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What kind of crazy person decides that vacuum hoses should be “left-hand” threaded?

Seems to be pretty consistent - at least in my shop/home… Anyway, after finding out I wound the threads the “wrong” way, I took another run at it reversing my threading helix…

These fit pretty well I think. The one on the left slides right into the Sweepy (without requiring any secondary adapters). The one on the right fits a standard 2-1/4" shop vac port (like the one on my dust collector). They are threaded just like the OEM Rockler fittings so they will screw right into the hose itself. …with “Left-hand” threads!

I sliced these using the Prusa Slicer and printed them using Hatchbox ABS so a tiny amount of shrinkage was expected (0.5%). The fitments need to be pretty close. If you are printing these using a different material (or slicer), you may need to scale up/down a bit as required (1.005, 0.995, etc).

Rockler Threaded Adapters.zip (3.4 MB)

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Working on a solid duct solution now. I’m running this up the right side of the spindle as there should be a little bit more room there (especially if you have corrected the end stop issue on the left side as discussed above).

There isn’t much room available if you move the spindle all the way against the end stops. The available area between the spindle is only about 44mm x 75 mm. As such, I’ve designed my duct to be the same OD as the Rockler hose (41.8mm) and a 2mm wall thickness. Additionally the spindle mounting clamp occludes much of the passage midway up the spindle.

Any ducting has to kind of wrap and climb around the mounting block. Additionally, any horizontal travel by the duct should be accomplished with no less than a 45 degree incline so it can be 3D printed.

So here is the duct with an integrated Sweepy adapter and an additional 30 mm extension on the top. (It will need more length as the Spindle still needs to be able to travel about 100mm further down - my thought is to designing a second straight extension with a cuff to ease the vertical printing requirements) This is running on my Prusa Core One L printer now (8 hr job). I’ll check the fitment when done. A sliding clamp will also need to be designed to stabilize the duct to the spindle.

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Probably designed by Eridians (Project Hail Mary movie reference…)

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The “round” duct fits as designed and it flows well:

…but there simply isn’t much room left between the spindle and the wall if I move it all the way over. Maybe only a MM or so on each side. I need to be able to put some sort of a structural lip around the top to accept a straight extension/hose adapter. Its just too close. I could use the pipe itself as a collar but that means stealing more of the cross section at the joint. Here is a 3D print file for the round duct if anyone wants to mess around with it:

Sweepy Duct (Round).stl (1.4 MB)

So while waiting for the print to finish, I worked up a square profile with the same amount of cross sectional area. By using a square profile, I gain a few more MM on each side of the duct. I can always transition from square to round (or whatever) at the end of the extension/adapter which will ultimately come out of the top of the N4. The extra room may also make it a little easier to design a collar/clamp to stabilize it with the spindle. Here is a model of the square ducting (with the upper lip and lower Sweepy adapter). Its printing now. Once I confirm fitment, I’ll publish the 3D print file here.

It seems a shame that someone chose to locate the opening in the N4 enclosure with the spindle on the centerline of the slot. It would be much more convenient if the spindle cable exited closer to the back of the opening. That would leave more usable space in front of the spindle for routing vacuum hoses. (Particularly at each end of travel with the 45 degree chamfer on the forward corners of the spindle mounting clamp). The opening in the top of the case could have been moved about 20mm forward and that additional clearance would have been appreciated.

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The square ducting fits perfectly. Its gonna give a little more clearance on the sides (vs round). Same cross sectional area than the round one but I actually think it looks better. I’m going to move forward with this design.

I need to do a couple more things with this design:

  1. Split it into two sections right where it transitions from side-side to front-back: This will allow it to be printed by folks without a large 3D print volume. I’ll need to add some vertical length (14mm or so) where it transitions so I can work in a cuff (joint) to join the two sections. Since the duct is square, the lower section can also be rotated to the other side if you want to exit on the left side of the spindle (although there is more clearance on the right).

  2. I need to incorporate some sort of sliding mount on the upper cuff. This will allow the duct to slide up/down as the Sweepy is adjusted up/down. Not sure exactly where I am going to mount the fixed part of the slide but there are two very “interesting” M5 threaded holes on each side of the spindle mounting clamp…

  3. As the clearance is better (IMHO) on the right side of the spindle, I need to replicate the hose/cable clamp provided with the N4 and mirror it so it can be used with the cable/hose positions reversed. (Easy Peasy)

  • I’ll try to maintain a single piece duct for those who can print it complete. However, this may depend on the printability of how the vertical slide is incorporated. (The solution I am thinking about now will really only be printable if the duct is in two pieces). If I can maintain a single-piece option, I’ll also mirror it so there will be one to exit either side of the spindle as desired.

Here is the current STL if anyone wants to play with it:

Sweepy Duct (Square).stl (2.3 MB)

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I worked up (and tested) a set of hose clamps for the N4 while waiting for my duct prints to complete. These are used to fix the spindle cable and vacuum hose to the rear of the cabinet using the existing screw holes. A single hose clamp was provided with the N4 but it favors the vacuum hose to the left side of the cabinet (I prefer the right side for a little extra clearance).

(They print upside-down)

I made a set for three sizes of vacuum hoses: Large (46.5mm OD - as was provided with the N4), Medium (41.8 mm OD - Rockler Hose), and Small (38.5mm OD - for another hose I just got). There is a “Hose Left” clamp and a “Hose Right” clamp for each of the three sizes (6 clamps total)

My gripping ridges are a little more aggressive than the original (on purpose) and there is a zip tie passage for both the Vacuum Hose and the Spindle Cable.

N4 Hose Clamps (Right).zip (3.4 MB)

N4 Hose Clamps (Left).zip (3.4 MB)

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The build is pretty much done. I had to move the duct about 1.5mm to adjust my clearance. Required both ducts to be regenerated. A couple of other minor tweaks as well.

Then there was the thunderstorms and power outage which killed both print jobs…

Almost there…

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The build is done and tested (and tweaked and retested). I’m going to start a dedicated thread to discuss the options as I have also generated a whole bunch of connection options and adapters (mostly while waiting for print jobs to complete).

The fitment is extremely precise. Its super close to right side window but doesn’t actually touch it during initialization or at full end stop allowance. It took me three tweaks to get it just right and its pretty much right up against the spindle with the upper cuff just hanging over. But it works and I’m happy!

I designed a full set of adapters and connectors to use the Sweepy Duct with both the Rockler vacuum hose and also another more rigid hose ($40) I have been testing (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FXG44D19). This includes not only adapters to mate with the ducting but also hose guides and 2-1/4" Shop Vac female ports which mount on the back of the N4 using the existing screws. Its all done. Its a complete solution for multiple hose types and its all fully 3D printable. (But I’m gonna need more time to get those photos and the files organized).

As a starter, here’s the ducting solution itself. I’ll cover this in more detail (inc posting all the adapters) when I get a chance to open a dedicated thread (to be linked from here). I’m going to be busy for the next couple of days so I want to make sure I leave enough here to get folks started (if interested).

The main duct completely assembled:

Right up against the spindle. Not a mm is wasted:

Yeah, its that close! (on the end stop):

Mounting bracket as seen through the side window:

View through the slot:

Includes an extension for vertical clearance (travel allowance):

Here are the three print files which make up the ducting:

Sweepy Duct (Lower).stl (2.7 MB)

Sweepy Duct (Upper).stl (3.0 MB)

Sweepy Duct (Extension).stl (1.2 MB)

There is also the bracket which stabilizes the ducting to the spindle clamp while allowing vertical adjustment of the Sweepy itself. There are three variations of this bracket. The only difference is the type of adjustment hardware to be used. There is one for an M6 Heat Set Insert (M6x9x8), one for an M6 nut/screw, and one for a 1/4-20 nut/screw.

Sweepy Duct Mounting Brackets.zip (894.1 KB)

I’ll get a dedicated thread started in the next couple of days which includes photos (and downloads) of all the associated adapters…

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@evanevery

That turned out very, very well! Thanks for illustrating you workflow for us. I have been meaning to get something like this printed for my S5Pro.

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Thanks!

My first attempt was somewhat organic using a round duct. I worked in three planes side-side, front to back, and a 45 degree plane joining the two.

After printing that and looking at it, I realized I had the clearance to eliminate the “45 degree” plane altogether. Working first (going up) side-side, and then transitioning to front-rear. …and I could do it with a square duct (which I think looks better anyway).

I knew I would need to split the duct so folks with a shorter 3D print volume could print the duct in two pieces. …and the transition point from side-side to front-rear was the perfect location. Plus, using a square duct profile made it easy as the same duct shape could be connected in any of 4 orientations.

I drew the 2 centerline paths (side-side, front-back) first and then did a “rail sweep” along each path with an outside shape and then an inside shape. Subtracting the resulting inside solid from the outside solid leaves the duct… (Using TurboCAD 3D Platinum)

Also used a “Rail Sweep” to make custom threads for both the Rockler and the 41mm Hoses.

Will post those adapters soon. Out of town today…

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Posted a dedicated “Dust Collection” thread, with all the finished pieces, here: Nomad 4 Dust Collection Options (3D Printable)

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