I have the CC probe and the CC bitsetter if I use them both I frequently get zero issues anyone else having issues with them both setup?
If i setup a project and then set zero with the probe once I start the job it automatically goes to the bitsetter before starting cutting but most times it starts the cut about 6mm above the workpiece, if I remove either one of them there is no issues.
How the machine works depends on:
- the configuration settings (so yes, disabling the BitSetter will remove the ability to measure the tool)
- what commands are in the G-Code — if you have tool change commands or no
I will note that temporarily disabling the BitSetter doesn’t seem to be an expected mode of operation, so it’s not much tested, and I’m pretty sure it leaves a length offset which results in problems — best thing to do is to disable the BitSetter, then quit CM, then relaunch it and rehome and reverse that when enabling it.
The issue isn’t how to disable the bitsetter the issue is when it is enabled it wont keep the zero that is set.
I’ve run both on two separate machines without issues. One thing to think about is that they both run on the same circuit and a probe connection will trigger the bitsetter as well.
Have you checked the Z zero right before running a file?
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Please provide a step-by-step example of this problem, including a simple .c2d file (or other source) and the generated G-Code, and a video or photos showing each step of the process.
Usually when there is a problem here it is because of a tool change done without prompting or using the tool change button in Carbide Motion.
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I place the material on the bed, set zero (with probe on corner x,y,and z) open a .c2d file (any one it happens on all) click the send to carbide motion button,click start job, motion prompts me to insert tool and I do if its not already loaded,click resume,it goes over to the bitsetter,comes back to center and prompts to turn on spindle,I click resume (after starting router) at which time it moves over to start cutting but its cutting air 6 mm (approximately I cant measure cause its running) above the material.
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Hey Ken,
I think what @Vince.Fab was wondering was after you initialize the machine (homing and the initial BitSetter operation) and set the origin point with BitZero, have you checked the zero height prior to starting the job to confirm Z-zero position? You can rapid to Z-zero +6mm in the rapid jog screen; use caution when you hit that button and make sure you’re either confident of the relative position otherwise press it away from clamps and even your work piece below.
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@Thewoodpecker, I just wanted to highlight that comment from Will because the majority the BitZero+Bitsetter issues discussed on the forum end up being related to folks changing the tool at some point in the workflow without using the “change tool” button in CM, and that can lead to the wrong offset being computed and applied to Z zero.
Can you confirm that you always, always use the change tool button when swapping tools ?
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Julien was a bit conservative about “always, always” and very well could have said
NEVER CHANGE BITS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CHANGE TOOL BUTTON/DIALOG FROM THE RUN SECTION OF CARBIDE MOTION!!!.
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This is why I rarely ever post in forums, nobody really reads before making comments, I thought I explained the issue in the first post and I know I explained it in the step by step.
I change the tool at the prompt, if I set the zero manually I don’t have a issue it’s only when I use the probe to set zero,and the probe works fine if I’m take the bit setter out of the system.
Both work fine alone but together something doesn’t work right and I’m trying to fine out if there is a way to use them both or if I just wasted my money on one of them.
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Please do not think anyone is trying to insult you, there have been many people before you with varying levels of expertise with similar issues due to tool change order. Everyone on this forum would like to help you get this resolved as soon as possible.
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The BitZero and BitSetter should both work together — if you can find a repeatable sequence where they don’t which doesn’t involve changing a tool w/o using the tool change button or a prompt we want to hear about it — but pretty much every time anyone has this problem it turns out to be because they didn’t use the command or didn’t follow a prompted toolchange.
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(probably not relevant for this issue, but the most critical tool change in this regard is the change just before doing the zeroing with the BitZero. That is the one that usually causes the problems)
Left-field issue to at least keep an eye out; I’ve had issues when the aligator clip for the BitZero got stored with the BitZero while touching the BitZero (woops)… the BitZero and BitSetter share a port and this short caused the BitSetter to not operate well
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Turn on computer, startup carbide motion, connect to cutter, initialize machine, tool change required prompt, click resume, move carriage to desired position, use probe to set zeros all three, open carbide create, open project, click send to carbide motion button, click start job, click start, tool change required prompt, insert tool click resume, click resume after tool goes to bitsetter. at that point it begins to start the cut but as in picture the zero is off that far to high. EVERY TIME I use both tools to setup.
How are you probing?
I placed the probe just in front of where it’s sitting,set it to x,y,and z with 1/16 end Mill clipped the clip to the bit (I loop the wire up so the clip won’t touch the probe) and click on begin probe
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This has happened to me. Yesterday, I set up a Vcarve inlay, ran a test on scrap wood and MDF. All good. Set up the production run, clamped the male inlay,changed tool at prompt, reset Z zero using probe, machine went to bit setter, spindle on and cutting starts, but Z height wrong. Too shallow by .15 inch. Had to repeat the steps to get Z height correct. In the 2 weeks since I have upgraded to HDZ, this is the third time this has happened. Have broken 2 bits and V-wheels because after bit setter, and spindle on, Z plunged below steel frame slamming into it on the way to start cutting.
Your photo doesn’t actually show a part to be cut. Is this just mocked up as an example?
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correct crooked the machine was zero’d to the top of the spoil board
