5 Pro Rigidity Improvements

I am looking to see if anyone has ideas on how to reinforce the X gantry for less deflection and to make it a more rigid setup? I am currently getting ALOT of swirl marks in my aluminum parts due to the flex of the X-axis. I am getting a great surface finish except for the floors due to this and I am scrapping alot of parts. I have put an indicator on the gantry to verify that it is moving with very light pressure applied to the spindle. Its a 4x4 sized machine so its already fighting a losing battle there. Possibly the addition of some beefy 80/20 extrusion on the rear of the gantry or c-channel steel? I have reduced the acceleration values in GRBL by half for all axis and saw som


e inprovement but not enough, so here I am.

What is the depth of cut for the bottom pass?

Which CAM tool are you using?

What happens if you run a finish pass over the surface after the main machining?

Almost seems like the spindle may need to be trammed in tighter - if it’s not wobbling a bit.
I agree that with a 4x4 SPro5, you are at a disadvantage in terms of rigidity. But over the years on here, people have posted some pretty nice results even from the SO3. Just requires a bunch of tinkering to get the machine mechanics optimized with the proper toolpaths & cutting strategy.

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@WillAdams the finish pass here was .010" axial. Same result with .005" finish pass too. I use Fusion360

@Chaotica This was with a .010" finish pass after roughing. Yeah we trammed it in with the SST dual indicator tool and it was tight but with the heavy 2.2kw spindle on such a little spindle mount, it is at a huge disadvantage with leverage.

I think I see an Z axis head upgrade coming in the near future. If not, I would love to be able to be the one to develop that upgrade and have it as an addon to the machine that has the spindles, both the air cooled and the water cooled spindles. I think a much beefer bracket around the spindle and the bracket being taller to cover more body of the spindle would do the trick.

I would like to ask a few questions if you do not mind, It is because I have just obtained that spindle (80mm x 2.2kw from PwnCNC?) to go with my recently upgraded Z axis by way of the sturdier HDZ unit. Looking at the swirl marks, can you say what the deflection in the gantry/spindle was when you measured it? Do you think the marks are caused by a continuous fine oscillation in the spindle mounting, the X rail or both?

The spindle looks high in the mount but it clearly gives you a good Z height. I may very well be mistaken but can the spindle mount be located further up the Z axis plate? If so, would that have an effect on the tendency for the spindle to move in the mount? I suppose a proof of that concept would be to lower the spinle in the spindle mount and see what effect that has on your measured deflectiuons. In your opinion is the spindle movement front to back, side to side or both? Does the tooling type used have any affect on the floor finish markings?

My rails are from the Standard sized SO3 with its 16 x 16" work envelope. I deliberately chose the smallest machine because I wanted to address/suppress the potential issue of rail flexibility with larger machines. Although 5mm thick rectangular box section rails look very strong, I had an issue initially with some flexing. In the event I had not taken sufficient care to tighten everything correctly during assembly.

I changed the baseboard for an SMW fixture tooling plate and took great care in locating the endplate rail bolts correctly. With the threaded sections open by about 1/4 of the hole diameter on one side, I found it possible to misplace the starting threads of the bolts. One the bolt was aligned and squared properly, I subjected the bolts to as much torque as I could to hold the bolts and not break the heads or spall the threads.

Once I could see that there was no movement in the X rail, I was able to work well enough. I used an endmill with a straight edged two flute cutter, or a single flute cutter, to mill aluminium and not leave any discernible machining marks on the surface. (image to follow)

Depending on the measured amount of your X rail deflection, i would probably wish to consider using formal cap heads rather than the supplied button headed allen bolts (possibly even use high tensile). Maybe recutting the bolt threads which, AFAICT, had enough meat on the extrusion to permit a larger bolt cross section through the extrusions and the endplates, I also toyed with the idea of adding 1/8" index pins to the ends of the extrusions and locating them in the endplates as square as possible.

Possibly adding an extended length spindle mount and or drilling more holes into the Z axis so the spindle mount could be mounted higher om the Z axis without losing any Z height available to the spindle. It could help control any oscillations in the spindle casing. Just a few thoughts FWiW. Please feel free to reject any or all of these thoughts.

I have thought that filling with expanding foam might help with resonance. also snub up the end mill, lower rpm.

Have you been able to localise where the deflection(s) are coming from?

e.g. If the deflection shows up on the tool, does it show up on

  • the spindle body
  • the spindle bracket
  • the Z axis moving plate
  • the X beam rail faces
  • the ends of the X beam

That should help working out where your deflection is primarily coming from.

I’d be wary of giving in to upgrade fever too early, it’s easy to go making upgrades to things that may not be a major contributor and have little benefit available.

On the topic of attaching additional extrusion to the X gantry, in aluminium it would need to be at least the cross section of the X gantry to really do anything noticeable, and you’d need to figure out a very rigid coupling method along the length.

I would not fill the gantries with foam, it won’t really do anything as it’s not rigid enough to have any impact on the deflection and it’s not going to absorb enough energy in flexing to damp vibrations which do start. A number of DIY builders have had success with epoxy granite filled extrusions but that’s quite a bit of effort and may well have you replacing motors and controllers to drive it.

HTH

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