Best place to buy cutters in Europe (Denmark)

@holgersindbaek: this is my local supplier, and I have been very pleased with every single tool I bought there (about 20 of them by now). If you ever choose to order there and need help translating French let me know.

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hi,
same for me, cncfraise is always serious and helpful. good quality, absolutely right price. i love it. and super fast delivery. it even packs up on weekends :wink:

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@Julien @Moded1952 @Bwood34 I just had another look at CNCFraises again and they certainly seem cheap :slight_smile:. I’ve actually ordered the Shapeoko Endmill Starter Pack (https://www.robotshop.com/eu/en/carbide-3d-shapeoko-endmill-starter-pack.html), but they’ve been put on backorder now, so I’m thinking of creating my own little “starter pack” from CNCFraises.

I’m planning to cut mainly in wood to start off with but would like to cut aluminum and brass in the future as well. If you were to create a starter kit from CNCFraises, how would it look? Any suggestions?

Do you know if any of the collets on the site will work in my Makita? It seems like most of the cutters on the site are metric. The only US cutters they have seem to be 1/8" cutters. Why is that?

I saw that this guy made a Fusion 360 library for the Shapeoko cutters (http://www.winstonmoy.com/2017/11/carbide3d-tool-library-fusion-360/). Do you know if anything similar exists for cutters from CNCFraises?

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For non-ferrous metals on the Nomad, I like the single-flute EVO endmills. I’d grab the 3mm endmills in each of the available lengths, probably 1 or 2 per piece. You could go up to the higher flute-count endmills like these but I’d recommend starting with single-flute because it’s so much harder to clog them with material. That was a huge problem for me when I was starting off and my life was immeasurably easier when I started using single-flute endmills.

For wood, someone else would know better but I’d guess these or these.

You can of course email him (email is in the website footer) and he’ll be able to give you some recommendations too. He’s also made a couple of packs himself.

Doesn’t look like it. @WillAdams has recommended these guys for Makita collets in the past. It appears they do ship internationally, albeit slowly. If you want them faster, Shipito is great for forwarding packages from the US.

FWIW, it seems relatively rare to use Makita routers in Europe, generally folks use AMB/Kress, Mafell etc., at least that’s what I see all over the CNC stores. Also spindles of course and those usually have ER collets.

If the question is “why aren’t there more”, that’d be because we’re in Europe and nobody wants Imperial tools if they can avoid them.

If the question is “why are these ones Imperial when all the others are metric”, I’m not sure, my guess would be that they come from a different grinder. <6mm tools intended for anything other than micromachining seem to be relatively rare. Even if you only want a 3mm cutting diameter, the vast majority of endmills you’ll find outside of hobby distributors will have a 6mm shank. So maybe he had to find a different grinder for the ~3mm shank endmills.

You can also ask him, he’s been pretty open about questions I’ve asked him.

Generally you’ll need to get used to entering tool specifications yourself but maybe @Julien has made a library he can share.

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I’m a joiner, makita routers are common in our workshop, but usually we use 8mm endmills and sometimes 6mm. we never use imperial endmills. you won’t find them at suppliers in France. There are only endmills from dremell, so 3.17mm.

For the imperial collets, I chose the ones from carbide 3d. they are great and I wanted to make sure they were well machined. you can find them on roboshop. (out of stock at the moment)
The makita router is already supplied with 8mm and 6mm collets.

I create my library of Endmills little by little, depending on my milling cutters, I find it personal, depending on your organisation and settings, it’s quite fast on fusion 360.

I love these xxl endmills, the length is not bad for 3d.
https://www.cncfraises.fr/fraises-carbures-helicoidales-2-dents/127-fraise-2-dents-317-mm-carbure-helicoidale-xl.html

and for aluminium and acrylic I use endmills with 1 tooth. (but I haven’t machined much aluminium yet… I’m just starting out)
https://www.cncfraises.fr/carbures-1-dent-aluminium/83-fraise-1-dent-3mm-lc-15mm-speciale-aluminium.html

suggestions from @Moded1952 are very good too.

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Pretty much in line with what Lucas and Vivien mentioned, here are a few of my favorite cutters from CNCFraises:

A long reach 1/8" one I bought to mill tall pieces with tight inside corners back when I did this

For aluminium, I’m a sucker for single-flutes and found these two to work very well:

And finally my workhorse for…pretty much everything in wood, is this 6mm 2-flute:

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@Julien @Bwood34 @Moded1952 Thanks a lot for your suggestions. It seems like you have a lot of overlap in what you’d choose from CNCFraises :slightly_smiling_face:.

For one of my first projects, I’m planning to make something similar (in shape) to what you did @Julien. You didn’t need a ball nose endmill to create well rounded corners?

I’ve also been thinking about creating an inlay with the V-carve technique. I’m not sure which V-bit I should get from CNCFraises though? The ones they have look a bit rough (https://www.cncfraises.fr/208-carving)?

This is how my shopping basket it looking now:

OK,

I have to ask, is that store really called CNC Strawberries?

That would have been ideal, but I could not find any ballnose with such a long reach, so I decided to just use the 1/8" square with a tiny stepover, and with the specific geometry I had, it worked well enough.

Yeah I had the same feeling that those were visually undistinguishable (it that a word ?) from the c*** I once bought on ebay, so I preferred to pass. But in hindsight, given the quality of his other tools in store, they might well be excellent Vbit. In the end I did not order my 60° and 90° Vbits there because I have the C3D ones and they are excellent.

Looks good, I would maybe just not pick that particular 45° vbit as I think it is more suitable for engraving (PCBs) than v-carving wood (but then again I never tried). I would rather but that one

which is similar to the 25° I got and I have been in love with.

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Yes :slight_smile:

“Fraise” is French for both strawberry and “that sharp piece of metal you spin at several thousand RPM while moving it through material on a mill/CNC”. Language is weird right ?

Trim router ? That’s called a “fraiseuse” here.

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Oh that is excellent, idiosyncrasies of evolved languages…

Well “fraise” pronounced in French sounds exactly like “phrase” pronounced in English, so that can’t be a coincidence.

When I did a quick check it went back to the Latin.

fresus “to gnash, crush, grind”
Vulgar Latin: fresare “ground bean”
Middle French: fraiser “to unwrap, shell (as in bean)”

Phrase however comes from the Latin phrasis which is from Greek, phrazein to point out, explain, tell.

For folks interested in this sort of thing I recommend The Horse, the Wheel, and Language which looks into linguistic archaeology.

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I’m in Denmark as well, and purchased a set of precision collets from Elaire with no problems in the summer. They arrived in 3 weeks time. I found some Makita collets locally for 8mm and 1/4", but the Elaire collets seem to be much higher quality.

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@Julien Thanks for the advice. This is what I’ll order for now:

Let’s see how far that’ll get me :slightly_smiling_face:.

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:+1:

With (at least) four of us ordering stuff there, we should try and see if we can get him to create a #C3DCOMMUNITYFORUM discount code for us :wink:

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Haha… definitely. Let me know if you get around to it :slightly_smiling_face:.

I sent him an email tonight, we’ll see.

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That would be interesting. Just ordered a bunch of endmills there, similar to Holgers order.

I’d suggest having a look to see what social media channels (if any) they are using to promote the brand. If they’re actively doing the whole digital marketing thing then showing them a community of users there may get some interest.

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