Huge Slip/Jump during cutting

Ok – I was NOT slotting a full depth of cut. I haven’t communicated well. The goal was to make a single piece cutout: 4 tabs, 2 mm each pass. Everything worked fine until the final cut where an unintentional cut occurred that looked like a 4 inch jump in the X direction and since the machine’s orientation was off, the shapeoko did a full depth cut – I heard it right away and killed the job. I had to jig saw out the rest of the cut.

I’m glad to find out that a 20mm radius curve at 2 mm depth in MDF isn’t too much for the machine.

Hopefully, I’ve explained this better now and my question is – what could have caused the machine to jump over 4 inches in the X direction only? Does this happen often? How could I prevent this in the future. I could have easily broken my bit if I wasn’t cutting in MDF.

Tim

I gotta be honest, I’m a bit confused with your picture.
Is this the area we’re looking at where things appeared to go wrong?

That’s definitely a slotting toolpath. When the cutter looks like this going through the material, it’s slotting.
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That’s why your pic is confusing me as it looks like there’s a pocket around the “island”. Maybe it’s an illusion or maybe I’m just confused.

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that is exactly the space where it happened, just on the other side. each of those passes is 1.524 mm per pass.

Could it be a pulley slipping on the motor shaft ? The unexpected turn looks very much like the shape of the contour it would have followed a few inches further down the toolpath:

If the dotted line I added is your X axis, I would definitely triple-check the setscrews on the X-motor pulley (you know the drill : one of the two set screws MUST be on the shaft’s flat, both must be tight, you can draw a line with a marker across the shaft and pulley to check if the pulley slipped, after a cut event like this)

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Given the set-screw shaped dent in the extrusion rail it would seem to be a good idea to go check that all the pulleys on the machine have both the set screws homed and tight.

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Indeed ! I didn’t even remember that other thread, but maybe @dandangerous is on the money, maybe a setscrew fell off completely, causing this AND the rail dent.

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Wow. This is a real solid theory. I’ll check in the am.

Tim

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I inspected everything and couldn’t find any set screws missing.

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Hey Tim,

Just checking in case there is any misunderstanding (and please accept my apologies in case I’m stating the obvious), but it’s not possible to see whether the pulley setscrews are there from those pics, they’re the teeny tiny screws inside the threaded holes in the pulleys on each motor, and I must say it’s far from obvious to visually inspect them without removing them.

If you did check them and can tell for a fact that they are still there deep down inside their holes, then the mystery remains.

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To piggy back on what Julien said, whether you did or didn’t check them visually, I would suggest checking them physically by trying to tighten them.

As an aside, you may already periodically do this; however, brushing off your v-wheels and transmission components will help ensure your machine is performing at its best.

These ones.

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Ok – I found it – on the right side – right by the “Y” sensor a set screw is missing.

Several questions:

  • what is the fastest I can get this replaced?
  • what do I need to do to fix the problem and ensure I have good calibration?
  • and . . . most important: could this explain my big slip which was in the X direction? I really want to understand what caused that slip.

Tim

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  • The set screws are standard M3 set screws ~4.75mm o.a.l. which can be sourced at any decent hardware store. Some folks replace them with M3 SHCS of a suitable length (~8–10mm). If you can’t find them locally or that’s not an option let us know at support@carbide3d.com and we’ll get a replacement out to you.

  • Replace the set screw and re-tension the belt per your assembly instructions.

  • Yes, if the pulley isn’t holding in one direction then the machine can get bogged down and pulled into another.

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@Bonhoeffer: but I guess still triple-check that your X axis pulley set screws are also tight and one of them is against the flat. Better safe than sorry!

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agree and thanks – I’m struggling to know what hardware store carries this. I’m right outside New York City with lots of big box stores. Any ideas?

Tim

Ace Hardware or True Value would be my first stop locally.

Lowes seems a bit better stocked than Home Depot on metric, but that may be a function of my local franchises.

Auto parts stores which deal in import (and current U.S. production) vehicles may have metric screw sets encompassing M3 SHCS 10mm as well.

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auto parts! yes – good idea.

tim

wouldn’t the head hit the belts? I’m pretty sure I need a headless. like this

tim

I believe @dandangerous replaced his set-screws with socket head in this thread.

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