Looking to add a laser, questions

So im browsing laser additions. And for my uses I’d think i would only want it for engraving small fonts, this leads me to think i should lean into the cheap underpowered types, in the 2w to 7w range.

I looked into Jtech and Amazon, i wouldnt mind dropping 100 bucks on something that would have a short lifespan, if it would show me whether or not this will make money / be interesting to me.

With Jtech, im concerned at how low the laser hangs, is that only the magnetic laser that hangs so low, or is it the mounting bracket as well? Meaning I’d need to remove laser and bracket for every use of the router?

Im also confused looking at the amazon selections at $100ish, would i be on my own for figuring how to mount it into my gantry?

I dont really want to drop $800 on Jtech to future proof something im not even sure will be profitable as i also run a furniture business so the time i can dedicate isnt huge. If i went Jtech id go into the 7w one

But i also dont want to spend the 100, and be stuck without a way of mounting and needing to do all of that homework as well

I could be wrong in assuming this, but i already have the cnc, so i wouldn’t see a reason why id need the laser to do any cutting for me

The jtech 7w pro had two mounting options when I bought mine about a year ago. The front mount needs to be removed every time you use your dust shoe but the side mount bracket can remain.

I only use the laser to mark the back of my carvings for future market considerations. It’s good for engraving but as you mention is useless as a cutting laser.

If I had to do it over again I think I’d buy a stand alone laser. The only reason I didn’t was for space considerations in my small shop.

Does the front mount still impact the dust boot if you angle the boot to the side?

Space in my shop is also a consideration, plus id like to not have to move my stock in between engraving to cutting

No…the mount sits above the collet height…so there’s no need to touch the mount to use the CNC to the fullest capacities.

Has anyone ever used the Amazon ones?

I wonder if i was to buy the cheapest Jtech one, mainly for the mounting hardware, and things they provide to connect to my shapeoko, and then if i need more power, could i later upgrade to one of these cheaper ones?

Join the jtech facebook page. Lots of folks selling their’s to upgrade to the 24w. I have the 24w and I love it.

Cody, Does the 24w allow you to cut material thicker than 1/8" without burning? Or is the benefit primarily speed?

Here’s what I did with my JTech 7W. It comes on / off easily, but I can get it back on very, very close to its XY zero everytime. All I use it for is burning words into wood; big and small. I usually run at 60 to 80% and 20ipm.

If I needed any more power, I would certainly go with a standalone laser box, but that isn’t a complaint against the JTech.

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Bit of both. You can engrave and cut faster. The real winner here is the air assist with a honey comb table under. That’s how you make the thicker cuts.

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Cody,
I am in process of shopping for Jtech laser. Did you always have the 24w or upgrade from the 7? I am on fence which one to get. I do not plan to do any cutting just laser engraving. At face value the 24w seems way to go…more power and faster but trying to get feedback on anyone that has used the 7. $300 difference and would love to get 24.

I have the 7W JTech laser and have had no problems with it once I fixed the loose mounting arrangement**. I engrave lettering and graphics with it all the time. I don’t try to do any cutting through, but I have cut through typical Amazon 0.1" plywood.

** See this post above: Looking to add a laser, questions - #8 by CrookedWoodTex

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I had both. If you’re not interested in cutting much, the 7w will give you a wider range of control for engraving detail. It will be slower though. The 24 does a great job engraving but you can’t utilize much of the low end for shading as it is just too powerful. If you don’t need a wide array of shading, the 24w is great. I mainly engrave hardwoods so I appreciate the power and speed of the 24w.

With either, definitely get setup with air assist.

I got the air assist and found it actually made the burns terrible. Maybe the pump is too fast or my feeds/speed are wrong but I ran a few test patterns and the ones with air assist came out terrible. As you can see in “test” last T was with air and rest was without. i don’t know



Just got my JTech dual pro setup and installed and started using it today. Absolutely love fact can laser then switch to cnc and profile cut. I have a jig setup in SW rapid position for both…and figured out how to zero laser to SW position and use absolute coord. Works great.

The mount is super solid. And very strong magnet. It will not move. I was able to burn a lot today and send to home/same position every time and no issues at all with movement off zero home. it is solid.

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care to share the parameters you are using… that look amazing. i have a jtech set up on my shapeoko, however i may be selling it as i dont use it as much because i cant get it configured to how i would like it. would anyone be interested?

I have Shapeoko Pro XXL and use side mount for Jtech laser. The offset for the laser to center of router I found to be 104mm for my laser setup. After I home the machine, I run the command G10 L2 P1 X-752 Y-797 in lightburn. Basically it’s offsetting from CNC back right home position to the SW rapid position…which is X-855 Y-795. So X-752 with the 103mm offset for laser gives me 0,0 at corner of the jig. Then I run G10 L20 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 and that changes it to a positive workspace coordinate system. Now I have an absolute coord system which is the way I use lightburn.

As for laser settings…this is the 14W dual Pro with high resolution lens. I have air assist but found it actually makes my burns look terrible.
The oak/hardwoods I have been using 3250 mm/min at 70%. For softwood 2500 mm/min at 72.5%. I also raise my laser up 1mm after setting the focus height. Found this gives me a little more “darker” burn by bringing it out of focus 1mm.

Those settings are bit on high/fast end. I have had good success at 2000 mm/min and around 42.5(hardwood) to 37%(softwood) power too that I used on this jewelry box.

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Crap. Now I want one.

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You really should never run the laser without at least some air assist to help keep the lens clean. My 24 w was down 4 watt from just one job without running air assist. Even if you aren’t relying on it to clear ablated material, it will help keep power levels up

Can you post a photo of how you have this mounted on your Shapeoko? I’m trying to envisions this, but I don’t understand how it’s working.

I am new to CNC. I started first with a diode laser, and recently dove into this Shapeoko world.

After getting to know my CNC, I’m realizing how important my laser is in the workflow. I will preface this statement with the fact I know nothing about modifying a Shapeoko or similar CNC to do laser work. (thought I’m super interested in how the z-axis could come into play to perhaps laser engrave depth maps, but that’s for later).

If space is your limiting factor, I understand adding a laser module to your existing setup makes sense. But I think the benefits stop there.

I literally just got back from de-greasing my laser bed after about 30 hours of it running. Not just the honeycomb but the metal bed beneath it.

This is very significant to the topic, because the first thing I realized when i starting running my diode laser was it needed an enclosure and it needed ventilation to the outside. My studio smelled like a campfire within a day or two. That’s all well and good and many CNC owners make enclosures for their tables as well, but for very different reasons.
The residues that end up on my base plate and honeycomb are crazy. I cut sign paint/enamels, and standard acrylic painted wood, as well as stained wood. It’s like cleaning an old brass weed pipe from the 80’s. Goopy, oily resin that ends up everywhere. The walls of my enclosure, my ventilation needs a filter and it still doesn’t stop the oils.

My point is I don’t want to add this sticky, goopy element to my amazing Shapeoko. Any enclosure I build for the purposes of keeping the sound and dust down for its initial purpose does not instantly translate to having a proper enclosure required for a laser.

Last week (after spending about a month looking), I got an open-box X-Tool D1 Pro 5W. Totally un-used (you can tell by the lack of any goop), for just over $300. This is my 2nd X-Tool machine and because I upgraded from the D1-Pro 20W to the 40W, I can get the 5W used and frankenstein them to make 2 lasers with 3 modules between them. The 5W in my new shop now has room for me to use the extension kit, thereby doubluing my template size.

Benefits of individual laser :
keep gunk out of your precious and much more costly Shapeoko
get a much better machine
be able to cut both laser and Shapeoko simultaneously
[edit] Lasers cause fires, has its own safety requirements [/edit]

Drawbacks:
more expensive
more room needed
you get to learn another software (though Lightburn beta now can control CNC but i haven’t had the time to check that out).

Good luck!

edit : I was literally cleaning my laser cabinet when this thread came across, so I took some before and after photos showing the oils on the wall of my enclosure (all the other sides are cabinet plywood, and not as easy to see the oil but it’s still present). I sprayed a little degreaser and used a shop towel and check out before and after. Unfortunately, the other shot is my toxic dump where I spray as little degreaser on the metal sheet/bed of my laser, let the water evaporate, scrape out the residue and bring it to our hazardous waste at the dump and they look at me like an idiot because most people just toss this stuff. Anyways, please don’t bring a lot of this into your precious CNC when you can run a decent laser for $500 all-in




The oil is on new drywall that is not more than 8 months old, and I constantly clean it. I decided to swap out the 1/2" drywall that the closet came with for 5/8" fire rated drywall. Plus a special fire retardant spray across the entire wall and cabinet. Look at the image where I only cleaned half of the drywall

I’m not saying this residue is a bad thing, but I also am not letting it anywhere near ball screws on my five thousand dollar CNC.