Ouch ! 2 sided machining problem

Hi everybody, I’m a Shapeoko Pro XXL owner, working with Fusion 360 and Carbide Motion for about one year
Excuse my “swissmade french speaking” English ! :sweat_smile:

I need to machine a guitar body but have axes issue. If anyone can help me to avoid damaging another piece of mahogany + flamed maple, any suggestion should be welcome ! I’ve a strange gap between the first and the reversed machining.

So I’ve decided to do a test in 12mm MDF. I’ve zeroed on the bottom middle, contoured the blank and bored 4 holes in order to install the stock with 10mm pins and to make it correspond to the drawing axes.

I zeroed on the front left top corner (Bitzero V2), machined 6.5mm deep pockets, slowly, with thin 1.5mm DOC.
I reinstalled the MDF upside down and machined the opposite side and noticed that the gap was 1mm in the left corner and 2mm in the right one…


The Y axe seems ok.
I don’t understand why the offset occurs and why it is different, progressive, between left and right.
My machine is squared, my index holes too…

So… ??? :face_with_spiral_eyes: ???

Every suggestion is welcome !

PS: I reversed on the X axe

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Have you calibrated the machine for belt stretch?

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Thank you very much for your answer! I’ll calibrate the machine as soon as possible.
One thing I find strange is that when I reverse the wood piece the pins fit in the holes… so it isn’t a parallelogram.
Mmmmmm… I’m wandering if the cables are too tight in the drag chain?


But as the problem don’t look random (each pass follow the same way) I’ll in any way check the belts tension and calibrate the machine :wink:
Thanks again, I’ll keep you informed

The left side to right side difference is mechanical.

As for the step in general, (I find) Mostly this occurs when you do not have an accurate center line established. This can be due to the locating pins, where you zero the X or Y axis, or the overall execution.

For me, the best way to eliminate this is align your XYZ to the centerline. I also have my pins on the same axis as the centerline. Meaning pin 1 is at the centerline on the strap but/end pin and the other side is centered on the middle of the neck pocket. Use a v bit locate the XY zero position to ensure is dead on, then change bits and set Z height for the tool you will use.

I know some will try to use the lower left of stock for zero for two side milling but it never seems to be perfect for me.The alignment needs to be done from your pin.

One other thing, to eliminate any difference that may still find its way in to your process, only cut the profile from one side. I cut all the way though from one side. Others will go as deep as their bit may allow, then cut the rest on the bandsaw and use a pattern bit to trim excess. This is a little extra, but you will not end up with a ledge like in your picture.

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I notice in your description you zero the machine twice. Once at bottom center to machine the profile & pins, and then on the lower left corner to cut the slots. This seems the most likely place for an error to occur.
Create your design for the whole test using the same zero. Including the dowel holes, profile & slots.
And of course, make double sure the slots are the exact same size & distance from zero.
I would screw the stock down where the screws won’t get hit. Machine the profile, dowel holes & top half of the slots in one program. Then flip it & cut the slots only.

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Thanks everybody,
Finally I’ve redone all the setup. Squaring, tramming, calibration,… and the belts were very under tightened !
Wow ! It’s impressive how it changes the life ! When I reverse the test piece and machine the opposite side, the result is perfect ! You can see a line in the middle height (due to the machining directions) but I don’t feel it with my fingers ! :partying_face:
Thanks to all the contributors who post in this great community forum and Youtube !

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