Shapeoko 4 Announcement

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We just announced the Shapeoko 4 at Shapeoko 4

The big changes

Big picture, the Shapeoko 4 takes most of the upgrades on the Shapeoko Pro and combines them with the Shapeoko 3. Or, maybe more accurately, the Shapeoko 4 removes the rails and BitSetter from the Shapeoko Pro to make a more affordable machine.

Either way you look at it, here’s what we changed going from Shapeoko 3 to Shapeoko 4:

  • Hybrid Table
  • Fully supported extrusions
  • New v-wheels
  • V3.0 Electronics + more convenient wiring
  • New spindle mount (65mm only)
  • 15mm belts
  • Faster assembly

Hybrid Table

The Hybrid Table is really the heart of the machine. It’s a stable and rigid foundation made up of a grid of custom extrusions that are precision-machined in-house on our growing fleet of machining centers. You can’t build the kind of machine that we want to make on a bad foundation. The Hybrid table is the best foundation we can make without going totally overboard on cost and shipping.

Need flexible workholding? The Hybrid Table has t-slots built-in and a dozen Teez-nutz are included. Add our Tiger Claw or Gator Tooth clamps and you can hold just about anything.

Want to surface your MDF to get a totally flat surface? The MDF sits proud of the aluminum structure so you’ve got clearance to take a skim cut.

Want to add threaded inserts or other features to the MDF? No problem, drill the MDF in-place or take it out and add them.

Need replacement MDF slats? They’re easy to cut by the dozen on a table-saw in a few minutes.

We all have our favorite part of the Shapeoko 4 but the Hybrid Table is my favorite part by far.

Fully-supported extrusions

The other big function of the Hybrid Table is to fully support the Y extrusions front-to-back. Our custom extrusions already over-designed and would be fine even on a much bigger machine but the added support takes away any potential for flex and, more importantly, ties the entire structure together.

New v-wheels

The Shapeoko v-wheels have been unchanged for a long time even though the Shapeoko 3 bears no resemblance to the original Shapeoko 1 or 2. It was time for a change based on all we’ve learned over the past years.

We took a look at the existing v-wheels to see what we could improve and came up with a number of changes to add strength and rigidity. Our testing has shown them to be roughly twice as rigid on the X axis as the previous design.

In addition to the better performance, they’re a little larger in diameter so they should also be much more durable.

(Anticipating a question: They’re a little larger in diameter so they won’t work on the Shapeoko 3)

Carbide Motion 3.0 electronics and new wiring

The new Carbide Motion V3.0 PCB from the Pro will also be used for Shapeoko 4. It’s got better ESD/EMI protection, new connectors and a new wiring harness, making my least-favorite part of assembly much faster.

New 65mm spindle mount

The Shapeoko 4 includes the new 65mm mount that we designed for the Shapeoko Pro. It’s thicker for a more rigid grip on the router and it just looks cooler.

An important thing to note is that it’s only a 65mm mount so it’ll fit our Carbide Compact Router, the Makita trim router or a 65mm VFD spindle but NOT a DeWalt trim router.

DeWalt seems to be dropping in popularity and they’re the only 69mm router so it makes sense for us to make a really good 65mm mount instead of a combo model. And on a side note, when we sold the DeWalt router, we had more failures with that model so it’s not one we recommend any more.

15MM belts

We’re using 15mm belts on the Shapeoko 4, the same ones on the Shapeoko Pro. Shapeoko 3 used 9mm so you can expect these new belts to be roughly 65% stiffer.

Faster assembly

A major focus of the Pro was to make assembly and the out-of-box experience better. The feedback we’ve gotten on the Pro tells us that we made great progress. A few Pros shipped before the assembly video got posted and users were able to put it together with no instructions at all.

The Shapeoko 4 should go together almost like the Pro and the assembly process should be a big upgrade from the 3.

Shipping

We have heard from Pro users that they don’t like the machine shipped in two boxes but that’s going to be unavoidable. Shapeoko 4 and Pro are big and heavy and UPS and Fedex won’t take them in a single box.

If we were able to ship in a single box, we’d hate to see what the box would look like when you got a Shapeoko 4 delivered.

Performance

According to Edward and Winston, and this is wholly and completely subjective, the Shapeoko 4 gets you to 80% of the Shapeoko Pro. It’s a much more capable machine than the Shapeoko 3 and it’s much more convenient machine because of the workholding from the Hybrid Table.

It’s capable of stalling the trim router so we think it’s a very well balanced machine.

Upgrade FAQ

Can I upgrade a Shapeoko 3 to a Shapeoko 4? Unfortunately no. If there are any shared parts between the machines, I can’t think of them. Like the Pro, it’s all-new.

Can I upgrade from a Shapeoko 4 to a Shapeoko Pro? Probably not. We’ve done the preliminary math and it’s a lot of cost. The cost is enough that the better scenario is to sell the Shapeoko 4 and get a Shapeoko Pro if you’re looking to upgrade.

Can I upgrade from a Shapeoko 4 to a larger Shapeoko 4? Probably not. An upgrade would require almost the entire machine to be replaced except for the Z axis and electronics so it’s not really a cost-effective way to go.

Which to buy

So, if you don’t own a Shapeoko yet, should you buy the 4 or the Pro? It really depends on how much the price difference matters to you. For the XXL, the price difference is around $500 and the Pro includes a $120 BitSetter.

Personally, I’d feel pretty good running either machine hard. If I was going to put it in my garage, I’d prefer the Shapeoko 4 because the v-wheels are lower maintenance (no oiling, not potential for rust, etc.). There’s not much to go wrong over time.

If I was going to run it all day, maybe I’d prefer the Pro.

You can’t go wrong with either machine.

Why didn’t you announce this months ago?

First, this really is a very new product. Because we’re able to leverage a lot of the parts and process from Shapeoko Pro, we have been able to get this ready for production quicker than anything we’ve ever made before.

Second, most of our vendors have been extremely unreliable for the past 6 months and we’re at the point that we can’t count on anything that we haven’t taken delivery of. We now have everything we need to go into production that could have been a big risk so we’re announcing today.

What happens to the Shapeoko 3?

  • We’ll continue to support and warranty the Shapeoko 3 just as we always have; there won’t be any changes in that regard at all.
  • We’ll continue to make accessories compatible with the Shapeoko 3 as much as possible.
  • We’ll continue to build and sell the Shapeoko 3 as long as supplies last, then we’ll transition to Shapeoko 4 and Pro only.

Availability

All three sizes of Shapeoko 4 are in production and we’re planning to list them for sale on May 1st.

We’ll be doing weekly drops and only putting the quantity that we can ship in a week or two in stock. We’re hoping that we’ll never build a massive backlog with this plan like we did when we announced the Shapeoko Pro.

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Hi @robgrz ,

How does the stiffness and performance of the Shapeoko 4 on redesigned V wheels compare to the Shapeoko Pro on linear rails?

I read on the Shapeoko 4 blog announcement: “Our testing has shown them [New V-Wheels] to be roughly twice as rigid on the X axis as the previous design”.

Does that put it over linear rails?

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I can feel more movement on when I grab the SO4 Z axis and torque it than the SO PRO so the linear rails are definitely more rigid. That said, you can definitely push a SO4 harder than a SO3.

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Thanks for the response. I am wondering if the reduced maintenance involved with V-Wheels may make them a better option for me- my shop is pretty humid here in Florida, and there wouldn’t be any risk of rust on rails with the Shapeoko 4.

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We’re near the ocean here in Southern California and if I were buying one for my shop, I’d buy the SO4 because of the salt air here.

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Drat, now I need to consider if cancelling my Pro order (just placed it like an hour ago) would be worth the delayed gratification but better long term option :laughing:.

Rust is definitely a problem here: flat surfaces such as cast iron table saw tops, handsaws, chisels etc. get covered really quickly. <1.5 miles from the ocean.

Never had an issue on my farm of Prusa 3D Printers that use 8mm smooth rods though, which get regular lubrication similar to what linear rails would get. They are used constantly though, while a CNC would probably end up a few times a week.

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If you’re near the water then you’d want to wipe down the rails with a bit of oil periodically.

If you’re using it all the time then I think it would be less of a problem. I’d worry more if it got left alone for months at a time.

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Do you have any pictures of the new V-Wheels?

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I think you can see them in the shop photo. They don’t look a lot different, they’re just a little bigger in diameter and a little different geometry.

They won’t be white in production though, that was a vendor mistake.

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I assume I could use my existing bitsetter with the Shapeoko 4?

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The BitSetter will be different for the 4. We don’t have the same mounting location on the 4 that we use on the 3. We’ll have those up in the shop to look at before too long.

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Will the electrical connection be the same? Buying something I already have seems silly to me. EDIT: I am sure I could redo the connector on mine if I needed to but I would rather not.

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I have found several coatings which are microns thick and designed to suppress corrosion on parts like linear rails, using one of them on the rails on my Shapeokish now.

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Awesome, and congrats! Looks great!

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My only suggestion is to not place the heavy xxl rails in the corner of the box with no extra protection. My rail corners were slightly damaged when they came through the corner of the box in shipping and I had to file them down.

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We’ve got a change to the packaging that should be rolling out either in this batch of Pros or the next one to better protect everything if Fedex/UPS get “aggressive” in their handling of the machine. (SO4 and Pro share the same package)

It’s an all-new PCB and wiring harness from the SO3.

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The Shapeoko 4 looks pretty cool. I like that you can get most of the bits from the Shapeoko Pro at a little bit of a discount. It looks polished and will most likely be a very good machine.

I do wonder why the Shapeoko 3 will be getting phased out though. My main issue is that $1,800.00 is quite a bit more than $1,320.00. When I first bought my standard machine for $1,200.00 two years ago, it was quite a stretch for me. Especially since you also need a bunch of supporting equipment and supplies to really use it. I like the fact that we have seen improved machines come out but that comes with a higher barrier to entry price wise. The current Shapeoko 3 is a great entry machine that doesn’t make as many compromises as others out there and I think it is a shame that it will be going away. There aren’t any good competitors at it’s price bracket and it makes me sad to see that option taken away from people who are considering getting into the CNC world.

Why did you guys decide to not continue making the Shapeoko 3?

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The 3 was fundamentally made to be a kit, which is where we started a long time ago. Over time, it became difficult to provide the type of out-of-box experience that we wanted.

We were either going to have to make changes to the 3, or move it to be the same as the Pro. We chose the latter since we’re able to share so many of the parts between the two machines.

For what it’s worth, I don’t like the $1800 entry price but it is what it is right now. We do have some thoughts for a cheaper entry-level machine, but that’s still in sketches.

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You are better off spending time sketching the 4ft cutting machine :yum:

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Nice work guys, makes a lot of sense to use the pro platform to base the 4 on at little r&d cost.

It’s still $200 less than a similar specced onefinity and $500 less than a CNC4N newcarve, I think that puts it In a pretty competitive spot.

Is the waste board a big cost to the price? For the cheaper kit maybe that could be replaced with some 4040 extrusion to maintain the base rigidity at a lower cost?

The want for a 4x4 machine is seconded by me, I hope that’s on the radar too, though there’s no budget now you ‘forced’ me to buy a 5x5 Avid machine with 6hp spindle and clearpath servos

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