I’ve been comparing the Shapeoko 5.1 Pro and the Genmitsu PROVerXL 4x4. I really like the Shapeoko’s overall appearance and the fact that it’s a domestic-designed machine, but I also love that the PROVerXL has closed-loop stepper motors, a more affordable spindle, and the option for an extra Z-axis.
Logically, everything points me toward the PROVerXL, but something inside me keeps pulling me back to the Shapeoko.
If you were in my situation, why would you choose the Shapeoko 5.1 Pro?
Warranty: Carbide 3D protects you from any mistakes for 60 days
U.S. based support.
Four free 30-minute training sessions included with the machine
Documentation: https://my.carbide3d.com/
Integration — rather than telling customers to source their own CAD/CAM, we provide Carbide Create as a starting point/fallback
How many hours have you spent on the Genmitsu forum? How is the online customer support? How is the general user forum support and what are the response times for both?
I haven’t seen a disadvantage from not having a closed stepper system as of yet?
Choice will be yours?
My decision was based on a known solid machine, in-house software, warranty (which included C3D replacing what I broke for the first 60 days), free training, customer and forum user support which is incredibly fast responses from both C3D and the users.
The support from other users on the forum is anazing, well beyong expectations.
A lot of Chinese companies come and go. The Genmitsu brand has been around for a while but until recently was making tiny little hobby machines. C3D has been around for a while and as @IgorKuz stated the support and forum are top notch. I have had some Chinese machines and when I called for support I never got any. Endless trees of punch this or that and never spoke to a person. Plus I would likely need to speak Mandarin if I wanted any real support from a real person. The thing about a lot of Chinese built machines is there are no parts or support after you get it. I am not saying Genmitsu gives bad support but the way the Chinese do business is very different from US based companies. The Chinese stuff warranty ends when it leaves the border of China. So if you buy Chinese machinery it is a crap shoot. Some good some bad and some really bad. The percent of unhappy people here on the forum is very low. The percent of happy customers is very high. So you can buy a real unknown with Genmitsu or a known quality with C3D. Seems like a simple choice to me.
I understand the concerns about support, warranty, and long-term company stability, and those are valid points. For my use case, however, those factors are not a priority.
I already use VCarve Pro and have experience setting up and running CNC machines, so I am primarily focused on the machines themselves. What I am trying to compare is mechanical performance and build quality, specifically rigidity, accuracy, repeatability, and how well each machine handles more demanding cuts, including aluminum.
What I am hoping to hear is feedback from someone with hands-on experience who can compare these machines, or similar machines in this class, based purely on real-world cutting performance. If one machine is demonstrably stiffer, holds tolerances better, or can be pushed harder without chatter, that is what I am trying to understand.
I am not looking for the safest or most supported option. I am trying to determine which machine performs better from a mechanical and performance standpoint based on actual use.
That’s a big ask, I have no idea how many folks own both machines to give you the data you’re seeking. Good luck!
The Shapoko 5.1Pro 4x4 is $3800, plus $1200 for the 2.2kw VFD = $5K
The Genmitsu PROVerXL 4x4 is $4,499 is plus $399 for the 2.2kw VFD = $4.8K
So, you’re saving $200, unless you’re getting one or the other on sale.
Reviews of the Genmitsu VFD indicate that it’s NOT controllable from g-code, only the front panel - at least without modification.
The dual Z-axis thing is only useful if you’re making two identical things at a time on the CNC.
The Genmitsu only has one x-axis drag chain, so you’re running AC voltage next to the low-voltage wires for the stepper motors.
The Carbide 3D’s Bit Zero is better with X/Y zeroing features that the Genmitsu Z-axis only thing has.
I suspect, but don’t know for sure, that the Genmitsu can’t overhang the front of the spoilboard, so you can’t mill into vertically mounted stock (dovetails, box joints, etc.).
For not a big difference in price seems like it’s not worth the savings to get closed-loop steppers
Z zero set in the middle of the cut area means you can’t have material there and use that function? 2.2kw spindle for $400? It’s just a bucket of water with a pump, not an actual chiller system, add another $800 to the Genmitsu to equal the C3D 2.2kw spindle.
Simplified Y axis adjustment, the S5.1 Pro does this automatically.
I don’t think these two stack as well as you think just based on the price. If I were to choose today at specs alone it would be the S5.1 Pro.
You ultimately are the one to make the choice, you asked for opinion’s and here is mine.
Here is feedback from someone with no “skin in the game” who canvassed a ton of online data: (AI)
The Shapeoko 5 Pro is generally considered a significant step up in build quality, rigidity, and performance over most Genmitsu Pro models (like the PROVerXL), offering better stability, longevity, and professional features, though Genmitsu provides great entry-level value; Shapeoko excels in heavy-duty use, while Genmitsu serves hobbyists needing affordability and ease of starting with closed-loop motors for better positioning.
Choose Shapeoko 5 Pro If:
Choose Genmitsu (PROVerXL) If:
Key Differences to Consider:
Verdict: For serious users demanding higher performance, better materials, and long-term reliability, the Shapeoko 5 Pro is superior, but if you’re budget-conscious and need good features (like closed-loop) for hobby use, a Genmitsu PROVerXL is a strong contender
I have a genmitsu prover6050 plus good machine !the 300 watt spindle through it Strat away and get a Makita genmitsu router 4040 id deftly go the shapeoko!
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No comparison if only factoring in the eco system. Shapeoko has great customer service, replaces anything you break for 60 days. Has active forums on their site and on Facebook. Resolves problems/issues quickly. I started out with a Genmitsu 3020 Pro max, the first one they sent I had to rebuild and purchase parts to try to get it to work and it never worked, and they were terrible with the customer service, after arguing for weeks they finally sent a completely new machine. The second unit actually worked but its an entry level machine and didn’t fit my needs.
It’s also important to know your personality type and which machine is a better fit. if you want t am aching you have to tinker with and diagnose problems, with almost no eco system and so you have to figure everything out your yourself and budget is your main concern then go with the Genmitsu. if you want a machine that just works once assembled and has great customer service with an even better eco system that go with the Shapeoko. Just the Bitsetter alone is worth getting the Shapeoko.
It looks like the 4x4 does not include the spindle or a router according to the docs. Also, the price for the Genmitsu is:
The spindle is water cooled, which isn’t exactly a negative but it does mean there’s additional maintenace and complexity in the setup. You could order a 4x4 5.1 Pro and use the included router and save money. You’d be matching the price of the Genmitsu with a spindle if you purchased the 65mm spindle for the 5.1 pro.
They may have matched price, but I can guarantee they don’t match quality. Beyond that, the support, community, and resources available for c3d products is unmatched. As much as I like to see more variety in the space, matching the pricepoint for the 5.1 pro wasn’t a great move.
I agree, it is nice to have closed loop stepper motors but unless you’re planning on cutting hard metals, they’re not that useful. Rigidity of both machiens will cause problems before the difference between closed and open matters. Watch the “Ripping Through Aluminum on the Shapeoko 5 Pro CNC Router” video on youtube to see proof of that.
Maybe not directly answering your original question, but if you are looking for alternatives to a Shapeoko 5.1 Pro and you want improved rigidity with closed loop steppers, I would think the AltMill MK2 would be the obvious choice?
Having said that, I am very happy with my Shapeoko 5 Pro 2x4.
Thank you all, the AltMill MK2 it is. I was looking for a more rigid machine, and the AltMill MK2 appears to be a bit more rigid than the Shapeoko. While I do like the Shapeoko, I ultimately decided to go with the AltMill MK2 after watching reviews from IDC Woodcraft and other reviewers.
One thing worth mentioning is that Kevin, who runs the Shapeoko YouTube channel, is awesome
Consider the value of the Bitsetter. No one else Thani know of has it and without that or an expensive automatic tool changer you have to have different toolpaths for each tool and set Z zero on each tool manually.
Bitsetter was the main reason I like the Shapeoko.