Hey all, I setup my new Shapeoko 5 Pro 4x4. But I’m having trouble figuring out what height to set my VFD Spindle. I contacted Carbide3D Support and they said set it to whatever high you need just as long as the “bitsetter without running out of travel room”.
So I’m left, as someone new to CNC, wondering what I should set the collet nut to the top of the waste board distance to. I don’t know what I’m going to be doing, I want to try a little of everything and learn in general. Does anyone have any guidance?
OK, so do I lower the Z all the way to the bottom? Also, do I position it right over the BitSetter and press the BitSetter button down all the way with the spindle and bit? Or did you mean the below the housing of the sensory where it connects to the base frame of the machine?
I had a hard time even getting the colett nut screwed on with my new surfacing bit. But I don’t even know how far out the bit needs to hang out from the colett nut. When I put the surfacing bit in I can push it all the way into the colett, is that right?
I’m asking a lot of questions, but I’m just trying to understand.
If you want a starting point, on my 4 Pro the bottom of the nut of the router sits about 125mm / 5" from the TOP of the spindle bracket. I measured the top because I don’t know if the 5 Pro has a different bracket but even if it does then the distance from the top to the nut will still be the same on both machines.
I would make a correction that what you care about is “Can my endmill reach the table”, not "can my endmill reach the BitSetter. Because on the Shapeoko 5, the BitSetter is above the table, not flush with it like on the Shapeoko 4 or Pro.
For reference, here’s how we have the VFD setup here. The collet is hanging about 110mm below the bottom of the Z-axis plate, and we still have plenty of travel to go down and reach the table, even if our endmill wasn’t this long. I think 100mm below the plate would be fine.
Also of note is that our spindle mount is in a lower position (this is why I reference the bottom of the Z plate, not the mount). This is usually reserved for using a (shorter) Router with the machine, but since we need to be able to switch back and forth, we keep it here. Using a VFD with the “Deep Sweep” boot, you’ll likely want to use the higher spindle mount position so that you have a larger length along the spindle to clamp/adjust your dust boot height.
OK, I have 3 different good/high quality bit brands, none of them have min/max marks sadly.
The error is: “X travel must be between 50.0000 3000.0000”. I see X and Y boxes and both show zero. I wasn’t sure if I need to mess with that or not, Winston’s video shows him selecting the VFD Spindle, then clicking OK.
To follow up on what @WillAdams said. The bit should be inserted so it is at least as high as the top of the collet. This gives you the best grasp of the bit. You can insert the bit higher in the collet but never all the way up. When collets tighten it moves the bit and collet up an inclined plane to tighten it. Also the top of the spindle shaft may be rough and cause a bit to be out of round. So for a Makita collet it is about an inch long. So you could mark the bit with a magic marker at about 1.25" and insert into the collet to that mark. Now some bits like the #102 1/8" bit has only about a 1/2" cutting depth so it would be higher from the spoilboard than a #201 with both inserted 1-1.25" in the collet.
Depending on what bits you use most often you just have to compromise to get the longest bits up high enough from the spoilboard and the shortest bits close enough to reach it if you are cutting through the material.
Once you get the spindle located you can move it but you would need to tram the router each time you move its position. So pick a spot that the small bits will reach and if necessary move it up.
One thing I noticed was when I was loosing the two bolts on the spindle mount it was really hard (I didn’t crank them down that much) and I could only go in small increments and smoke (I’m not kidding) would come out with each increment. Then it loosed up and acted like a normal bolt. It makes a loud noise when it gets tight, like squeaky metal sound.
One other question, when the X and Y are moving at the same time, is it normal to hear a louder more labored sound from the steppers? I can move each individually and it’s a normal sound, but when it’s doing it’s homing cycle it’s much louder for instance.
So I was messing with the machine more tonight getting things down and finding out I ordered the BitZero for the Shapeoko 3/4 and not the 5 (gee yay). But I noticed that when X and Y are moving together it gets alot louder, especially when Y is at the midway point. The sound is louder on the right side of the machine. It’s not a grinding sound or anything, but the labored stepper sound is really loud compared to normal individual movements. The machine is square the last time I checked, same distance from the corners at the same points of measure.