Carbide Create Pro- What do you want to see?

Software Carbide Create
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I feel like the subscription issue for the hobbyist is dramatically influenced by the price point. I currently use Solidworks + hsmworks and vectric aspire for my modelling, and between those two option I have pretty well every design covered. If CCpro came in at US$50-75 / year with most of the features mentioned in this thread then it is something I’d definitely consider, but once we’re past $100/year then I think I’d find something else…

For a perpetual license with 3-5 years of updates I’d pay US$300-400

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I’ll go out on a limb here and using my mind-reading powers conclude that many people, like myself, have reached their personal subscription-saturation limit. It’s not so much a specific subscription but the fact that our monthly statements are littered with $5/$10/$15 charges.

I absolutely love the Fabber SU add-in because I’m an old SU guy, it gets me from 3D model to SVG fast then I can deal with CAM elsewhere. I was part of the beta and signed up when it went paid. After a few months of paying I haven’t needed it yet so I feel like I’ve wasted the $10-$15 spent even though when I do finally need it again I would have been okay paying $$ for it annually. It may sound weird but I’m more open to an annual subscription rather than monthly.

Just my 2 pesos.

RMW

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Thanks for the compliment and the addition! Excellent comments yourself.

A lot of this just comes down to price. If Carbide3D comes out and says it will cost $1/month, everyone will sign up and no one will bat an eye that it is subscription for the cost of 4 gumballs a month. Now, that’s probably not viable for Carbide3D but what if it is $5/month? $10/month? It’s all a supply and demand curve with the demand curve being shaped oddly because as many people have mentioned in this thread, they don’t want a subscription model. The odd thing is that no one has really mentioned why. Why don’t they like the concept of paying $10/month for an all-you-can-eat-software-buffet? Is it financial? Is it emotional? Heck, @DAH even said it might be irrational that he doesn’t want one. What is it that makes this group of people say those things? This is what @robgrz is up against with trying to figure out how they will offer this.

This will all come down to Carbide3D seeing how much it will cost to offer this and how they can offer that on to us, the users and beneficiaries of this work.

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Well, I wouldn’t say no one has mentioned why. :smile:

Cutting down my earlier post (in which I originated the reference to perhaps irrational but nevertheless extant feelings) to its core:

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Being a software developer (although mainly mobile) and formerly extensive Adobe Illustrator user there are a few things that drive me nuts that are simple, but imperative.

  1. Ability to zoom without mouse on Windows whether drag window or +/-.
  2. Ruler layout on the outside of the visible work area. (At the very least the location that the cursor is)
  3. Ability to start shape from corner.
  4. If making a curved line, the line always extends past and requires straight work if trying to do a 90 angle off of the node after the curve.
  5. Better handling of tool definitions and have a custom global definition with speeds. It kind of does now, but is clunky and confusing.
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Side note: anyone wanting a sneak peek at some Pro functionality, checkout this other thread I started.

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Two things that are not in CC currently that seem like no brainers are:
1 - the ability to move an object around by using the arrow keys instead of having to use the mouse or type in a numerical figure
2 - The ability to align one object to the stock center without having to create a second dummy object.

These are things I would use pretty much every session.

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Not to pile on but the subscription model is a non starter for me. I can see paying a flat price for a year of upgrades, but if I don’t need the new features that come out after that, why do I keep paying? I get why companies do it, but I don’t see the advantage for individual humans.

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Here’s where our internal pricing discussion went:

Vectric Aspire is in the $2000 range plus $400 per update which is every year or two. We’d like to get close to Aspire in terms of features but realistically, that will take some time.

For now we’d like to target a “price” of around $750 for Carbide Create Pro, or about a third of Aspire. We do not like the versioned releases with costs to update (V1, V2, V3…) so a subscription works better for us.

Based on almost everything we’ve seen other companies do when they switch to a subscription model, the annual cost of a subscription is about a third of the single-license cost, which would put Carbide Create Pro in the $250 per year range if it’s $750 to start with.

At $250 per year, it’s the cheapest thing out there for this kind of 3d relief modeling. (Aspire, Enroute, Carveco/Artcam, Type3). For our professional user base (the for-profit group) this price shouldn’t be a big deal but it could be significant for a home user.

We decided that $120 / year is where we’d like to be. Again, it’s cheaper than anything else out there and you’d have to pay for 6 years before it’s “break even” with the single license cost alone.

Based on this thread we came up with an addition to the subscription model, which turned out to be close to the Jet Brains model:

Buy a license for $360 and you’ll get one year of updates. You can continue to use the last version available during your update period forever. If you want to continue getting updates, it’s $120 per year.

So you’d have two options, a subscription at $120 per year or a permanent license at $360 + an optional $120/yr.

Finally, it’ll probably be free-to-use for a while as we get the feature set worked out so there’s plenty of time to decide if it’s right for you.

Thoughts?

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That sounds reasonable. I am looking forward to fiddling around with it.

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We just fixed the one-object-align problem. It’ll be in 404 when it’s released.

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That sounds to me like a perfectly justifiable subscription fee. It also sounds like a cromulent permanent license cost and upgrade path. I would be more than happy with those options, and I’d probably go with the $120 subscription, billed annually. (Strangely, if it were $10 billed monthly, I would be much more conflicted. :sweat_smile:)

Are you sure you don’t want to skip right to 405? I mean, how will people ever find 404? :joy:

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Why are you using words I have to Google? (Pretend I have the vocabulary of a 5th grader)

I don’t see us having a monthly subscription, it’ll be annual or permanent.

…and good call on 404, that would just be bad luck somehow.

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Hi.
PCB Milling, please … !!

You can include enhanced (dedicated) capabilities.
Carbide Copper can be better; maybe this is an opportunity and it is something that several of us would pay for, if it is well developed.
Finally that is 2D Milling.

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Give us your requests at:

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Awesome, thank you so much! Is the “move object with keys” doable in the future? It would be SO helpful.

Also, i think the $120 per or the $360 buyout with optional updates sounds reasonable. Appreciate you asking for feedback instead of just plunging ahead.

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Yes, we’ve got “nudging” with keys on the todo list. We have some trouble in the current system with how key events are passed around so once we get that figured out, we’ll get the nudging implemented.

How would you see setting the nudge distance?

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He does it to me all of the time, I think he keeps a dictionary in his lap while he types :crazy_face:

Dan

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Nudging, love me some nudging. Many other softwares I’ve used will allow you to set a nudge distance in the settings, then you also have alt+arrow that will give you a small nudge, and ctrl+arrow to get a large nudge. So basic is just arrow (which can be set in settings), then alt+arrow say 1/2 of settings value, and ctrl+arrow gives you settings nudge X2.

Dan

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Dan is correct. Being able to adjust it in preferences would be the best if possible. Here is a screenshot of Adobe Illustrator adjustable distance as an example. Really appreciate you looking into this.
AI-nudge

EDIT: Just got to thinking that even if the task of letting us input the distance we want proves too cumbersome to start with, if you could just re-purpose the code for jogging increments from Carbide Motion into something like .001, .01, .1, 1 that would be better than nothing.

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