WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 3, 2024, 3:29am
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Reworking the design to take the use of the Keyhole toolpath into consideration we have:
One further improvement will be to chamfer the corners (we will also do this to the top/bottom after machining).
Lastly we will save in two separate files, for the bottom and lid, and adjust the thickness for the latter.
DAH
(David Hood)
February 3, 2024, 4:41pm
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Sorry, I missed that. I should read more carefully.
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 3, 2024, 9:37pm
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Before committing to separating the top and bottom as two discrete files, we verify the design by working out what the cut will look like in profile:
Increase the size of the surrounding geometry so that it projects beyond the other outlines:
Rotate each -45 degrees:
Done
Remove the unneeded outlines:
Shift things up a bit to make room for the profiles:
and draw in rectangles:
Align an outline of the dovetail tool with the profile:
Select the feature which it will be matched with and use Align:
to move it into position.
Repeat for the others:
Boolean subtract each (or use Trim Vectors):
Draw in geometry to match the pockets which will be cut to either side of the dovetails on the lid:
and align it with the bottom of the dovetail cut:
Boolean subtract it as well:
Repeat until one arrives at:
Duplicate the lid, rotate it 180 degrees and check the fit/match:
and apparently the dovetail toolpaths need to be shifted a bit…
WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 3, 2024, 11:01pm
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This much:
hang on while some adjustments are made…
WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 4, 2024, 1:34am
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Eventually we arrive at:
which passes muster and is okay to go on with separating into two files (once we chamfer the corners)
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 4, 2024, 2:47pm
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To keep this simple, we’ll do one piece of stock and centered as shown above:
First step is preparing the stock — the piece I have in mind is rough-cut, so there will be a bit of prep-work, probably a separate post.
WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 8, 2024, 11:24pm
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Or, maybe it’s easier to match the stock as clamped in place:
One other touch is pockets for magnets:
Hopefully final version:
Take 2
Impossible_Dovetail_Box_v7.c2d (132 KB)
Note on tooling — the last toolpath in the above uses a #102 , but this needs to be a long reach tool, in this case a Garr Tool Series 620MEDP#41030 1/8"x3x1"
https://www.garrtool.com/product-details/?EDP=41030
The dovetail tool used is apparently discontinued, but was still available on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Freud-Dia-Dovetail-Shank-22-104/dp/B00002241Z
Note on workholding — belt and suspenders will be needed here — you’ll want an adhesive workholding system holding the parts in place, or you’ll need to add tabs, or you’ll have to do as I did, and halt the cut short of the bottom and cut the parts free by hand.
WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 9, 2024, 1:19am
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And success
Note that with an onion-skin, one can hold things up to a light (or use a lightbox) to determine where to cut:
except for a bit of post-processing and installing magnets and finishing:
A couple of minute’s work w/ a file and plane:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 10, 2024, 2:47am
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and a bit of sanding and gluing magnets and we have a product which just wants a finish (probably just oil and beeswax)
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 10, 2024, 1:08pm
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Project post-mortem:
There was some tearout (as can be seen in the photos), and some uneven tool alignment — leave a roughing clearance for final passes — recommended tooling for final passes:
the dovetail tool — add additional passes w/ it using the keyhole tool so that it cuts the bottom of the entirety of the underside of the lid
a sharper tool for the sides — need to find a long-reach 1/8" downcut
Another possibility is just cutting it to final dimensions after putting in the magnets, cutting it to final dimensions/shape on my Jointmaker Pro:
A traditional way to make boxes is to make them all of a piece, and then cut them apart — this can be made easier by cutting a slot, and cutting through at the corners, but this results in losing the width of the slot (or more when a saw is used to finish) in height.
Couldn’t resist picking up a JointMaker Pro when they were recently on sale at Bridge City Tool Works:
so have to try it for cutting apart a box:
[20230803_2121241]
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Zman
(MICHAEL ZEMANEK)
February 11, 2024, 11:54pm
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Fir needles are the bane of my life. They love my dogs hair, my shoes,…
WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
February 15, 2024, 2:56pm
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The shade and wind break makes the bother worth it.
We have pretty decent mats inside/out which get most (and no pets unless my son is visiting w/ his dog) — I just sweep each time my wife leaves the house (we disagree on the topic of wearing shoes in the house).
I believe the 14 degree tool in this bundle:
https://www.rockler.com/4-piece-8mm-dovetail-router-bit-upgrade
would be a workable replacement for the above dovetail tool — wants an 8mm collet though (which I think is a good idea, and worth trying).
I believe it’s also available separately:
https://www.rockler.com/8mm-14deg-dovetail-bit
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