Rounded edge box top?

How would I take a square top for a box and round the corners, I dont want them like a perfect roundover where its a 90 degree curve I want a more gradual curve from the bottom edge to the top and each corner to come to a point so that the corners of the top match the square corners of the box.

I tried previously to design this and failed. Any help would be appreciated. I am very inexperienced with my CNC and have only done a few pockets and cut outs with it.

This is what i want the top to look like (see attached drawing)

The center of the lid would have a pocket in it as well for an inlay

Thank you in advance
Note: my previous question on this got auto closed as I had surgery and couldn’t get back to my post in time.

I have also attached the file. but not sure it is going to cut correctly
Box Lid2.c2d (208 KB)

The very first thing you could do for us so we can help you better, is draw up a cross-section view of what you would like to accomplish, and post it on this thread.

Nevermind, fixed.

Sorry, I just posted it, I had to get the pic from my phone as I had posted the question from my computer

I’m not 100% sure what you are hoping to achieve but I think I can guess.

One thing I am learning is you don’t have to complete your entire project on the CNC machine, sometimes it’s easier to use other tools.

For example if you had a router table with a roundover bit, and you ran your box top in a straight line against the fence on all 4 sides I think that might get you the profile you want?

It should cut to match:

If you don’t want the field hollowed out, then model it to the desired thickness:

attached as a v8 file.

Box Lid2_v8.c2d (208 KB)

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I have a hand router that I bought before I went into the hospital and honestly I should have gotten a table instead. But now its too late to return it as its been like 60 days now

Thank you so much. That looks exactly how I wanted it. i did want a pocket in the top for a 1/4" thick inlay. Where did I go wrong in my design and toolpaths ?

If you use a 1/2" roundover bit, you can get this by offsetting to the outside (squares are 1/4"):

If you want a pocket for an inlay, it will need to be shaped so that the tool can cut the shape, and the shape which will be inlaid can be cut.

It will just be a rectangular shape like the file I posted

No worries, I made the same mistake!

For what it’s worth, several companies sell a jig that turns a palm router into a router table. I think I I picked mine up from Lee Valley but there are probably other better options and less expensive options out there.

Obviously not as good as a dedicated router table with a full sized router, but I mostly use it for round overs and find it very useful.

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Hi Will, I Tried adding a 5" x 3" square and then pocketing it to a max depth of .27 but on the simulation it seems to be ignoring it. What did I do wrong ?

and this correct 71 minutes for the 1st pass tool path and 53 minutes for the second ? It seems like a lot longer then it should be

Box Lid3.c2d (208 KB)

I took the plastic spacer off the base & screwed the base to a 1x12 with a hole in it.
Clamp that to my bench or table saw & instant router table. I added dowel holes & a 1x2 fence to use as guides.

i am very happy with that table what can be used for a hand router mounted below the surface:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-35-in-W-x-22-in-D-Portable-Jobsite-Workbench-with-Heavy-Duty-Metal-Legs-224317/205887786
for $100.

Certainly not the right item for making cabinets. But for my toys and even some chairs etc it works fine.

Drawing a side/section view really helps…

OK, so your first component is a Flat .350 Max on the centerline of the round

Next component(s) are the rounds, Round 75° 0.790 Limit Max on the 3/4" wide rectangle.
Since it’s 3/4 wide, and the angle is 75°, the height calculates out to about 0.288.
The Limit Height doesn’t do anything because the initial shape is less

What I suspect you want is something more like this…

Try adding in a base height of 0.454. I calculated 0.465, but trial & error makes 0.454 match the 0.750 overall height.

Make the first flat component 0.750 height

Then select the inner rectangle for your 0.270 pocket

Box Lid4.c2d (168 KB)

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Now on to the toolpaths…

If you think about it, the only 3D portion of the project is the rounds.
No need to cut the entire model using 3D.
Also, there are no tight corners in the 3D model, so the rule of thumb is “Use the largest ball mill you have that will get the detail you need.”
Let’s assume your largest ball mill is a 1/4"
Make yourself an offset rectangle around the outside to allow the ball mill to be tangent to the steepest part of the round…

Now the finish path takes 9 minutes

Use the same outer boundary for your rough path so it roughs the round & the pocket

7 minutes :wink:

Then just finish the pocket with the endmill at full depth since it’s already roughed out

Add in a contour or narrow pocket to trim the outside profile, and you’re good to go. :slight_smile:

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Sorry for my delay in getting back.

Yes what you suspect is correct.

I appreciate your help and Im trying to follow along but the instructions lost me. Im not sure what you mean by flat .350 max on centerline of the round. when its a top down view and you show side views. I must be doing something wrong as I cannot get the rounded edge effect when I select to model a round it just works for that corner not the whole perimeter of the job.

Im also completely lost on how to setup the finishing paths

You made a flat component, 0.350 height, MAX merge type. 0.350 is below the 0.500 thickness in the pocket area (0.750 stock - 0.250 pocket). So the 0.350 component is redundant & buried beneath the desired final product.

I use the side views to make sense of the 3D construction and where the tool boundaries need to be.

If you’re only cutting the 3D portion with 3D, the boundaries represent the center of the tool at the tangents of the rounded edge. So your boundaries need to be where the blue dots are.k
For the outside edge, since your radius starts at 75°, rather than 90°, it’s just a little less than the radius of the tool (0.125 for a 1/4" tool). I just use an offset of 0.125 and check the simulation to make sure it doesn’t fall off the edge & cut through the stock. If it does, reduce it to 0.120

The outer square is 6" x 4" the inner pocket is 5" x 3" what size should the .350 piece be as it looks like its inbetween the two on size ?

The 0.350 piece should be 0.750 height & 5.5 x 3.5. The edges should line up with the top tangent of the radius.

So, you build this piece

Then you build this piece with a MAX merge type

to get this

Then you subtract the pocket to get

Or you can leave the pocket out if you are only cutting the radius with the 3D.
In fact, you can leave the initial 0.750 flat component out too, and just build the round component.

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