Shapeoko in the EU (6mm vs 1/4")

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

So I’ve been doing some cutting with my SO3XL (Dewalt D26200) with the included 1/4" end mill, along with some addition 1/8" bits I ordered along with it from RoboSavvy. This has been great fun, and I’m learning loads with each (terrible!) thing I cut. I’m also now seeing the limitations of not having a proper round or V bit.

I’ve been searching online to order some more options, like having a 1/4" ball nose, a V bit, etc… But I’m having an (unsurprisingly) hard time finding 1/4" end mills in the EU. Loads of 6mm options though…

So in googling things, I guess it’s not a good idea to use 6mm bits in 1/4" (6.35mm) collets, so that’s a no go. I haven’t done a detailed search, but I guess it’s possible to swap out the collet on the Dewalt with a 6mm one, so that would alleviate that problem, but I’m wondering about the mid-term here.

I guess in the long run, I’ll just have/use metric end mills and all will be dandy, but at the moment everything I have is 1/4" or 1/8".

Is it a matter of swapping out collets/tools as part of the process, or what do EU/UK-based SO3 owners do?

[fenrus (Arjan van de Ven)]

I have a EU shapeoko… and my router came with a 6mm collet, and I bought a kit that had a 1/4" and 1/8" one… so I have 3 now .

One note of warning: The 6mm and 1/4" are extremely close, and really need marking or you will confuse them greatly.

I wonder if your D26200 came actually with a 6mm one … and not a 1/4"

[Julien (Julien (Carbide 3D))]

I initially bought the EU Makita, and quickly realized I needed both 1/4" and 6mm collets, so I got a 1/4" Makita collet (my Makita came with a 6mm collet). Apparently you can get 6mm collets for the Dewalt routers indeed.

I later bought precision collets from Elaire (they have Dewalt collets) and while it cost me a kidney (to have them shipped here) I never regretted it.

There’s no easy way around the mix of 1/4" and 6mm endmills, as a European hobbyist I guarantee you will end up owning both metric and imperial endmills, so you should have the collets for both. Luckily, for smaller endmills 1/8" shank is pretty common/standard even in the EU.

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

Hmm, I’ll head upstairs and check. It did come with a 1/4" end mill which I’ve been using in it…

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

Definitely a 1/4" one in my Dewalt.

I’ve never had to change the collet out, but I guess it’s not a huge deal? As in, can you do it as part of a tool change in any given setup?

I’ll have a look for some 6mm end collets. Is it worth also getting a 3.175mm collet, or is the 1/4" -> 1/8" collet adapter “good enough” (for wood and such)?

[Moded1952 (Lucas)]

FWIW I’m pretty much entirely to metric for my Nomad. Unless you import US endmills, nearly everything you buy will be metric anyway.

One (maybe extreme) option is to swap out the spindle with one that has an ER collet holder. Most of the milling spindles will come with them. ER collets usually have a specified range of operation, often 0.5mm, which means that a 3.5mm collet will work with 3mm endmills as well as 1/8" endmills and a 6.5mm collet will work with 6mm as well as 1/4" endmills.

[Julien (Julien (Carbide 3D))]

@Rodrigo

or is the 1/4" -> 1/8" collet adapter “good enough” (for wood and such)?

It can be, but I personnally chose to not add runout to my list of issues, and bought a 1/8" collet.

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

@Julien

I later bought precision collets from Elaire (they have Dewalt collets) and while it cost me a kidney (to have them shipped here) I never regretted it.

Having a look on that page and I just see DWP611 listed. My SO3 came with a D26200, which I imagine may be a UK-localized DWP611?

The prices on these arent too bad, and I have some family in the US that I sometimes order fiddly “care package” bits to. I can add this to the list of bits to order.

@Moded1952

One (maybe extreme) option is to swap out the spindle with one that has an ER collet holder. Most of the milling spindles will come with them. ER collets usually have a specified range of operation, often 0.5mm, which means that a 3.5mm collet will work with 3mm endmills as well as 1/8" endmills and a 6.5mm collet will work with 6mm as well as 1/4" endmills.

Perhaps way down the line.

[LiamN (Liam Newcombe)]

I ran the AMB Kress 1050 FME spindle until I got a full VFD spindle and the HDZ. That has a range of germanic metric collets available as well as the common 6.35 and 3.125mm Imperial collets. The main problem with that was the 43mm spindle holder that is necessary to mount it.

It lives in a cupboard now.

[fenrus (Arjan van de Ven)]

the d26200 is the DWP611 with a european power plug/voltage and 6mm collect

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

Hmmm…

Would a 1/4" bit fit (ok) in a 6mm collet, as I’ve been doing plenty of that.

On my invoice (from RoboSavvy) it’s listed as:

1 x DeWalt D26200 - 900W 1/4" Compact Router (UK Plug)

[WillAdams (William Adams (Carbide 3D))]

No, a 1/4" Endmill shouldn’t fit in a 6mm collet — but the DeWalt collets are similar to ER-style collets, so may have a wider clamping range.

The Elaire Corp. collets I’ve sourced for my Makita/Carbide Compact Router have been excellent quality, and I can’t imagine their collets for the DeWalt would be any different. They also do specifically offer different 6mm and 1/4" collets per: http://elairecorp.com/dewaltroutercollets.html (you may need to scroll down to see the DWP collets which also fit the D26200).

[gdon_2003 (Guy Donham Regular)]

I live in the US but bought from elaire.com 6 and 8MM collets as well as 1/8 and 1/4 collets. The Dewalt 611 came with a 1/4 inch collet. So if your relatives can buy them, the 6 and 8MM collets and send them to you it would save you money. I understand the shipping and possible duty are more than the collets.

Go to this page for what is available: https://elairecorp.com/dewaltroutercollets.html Be sure you looking at the Dewalt Palm Style collets and not the larger ones the palm router collets are at the middle of the page. Buying the 6&8 MM as a bundle are cheaper than separately. It is an international world and having both metric and SAE are useful.

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

@gdon_2003

Be sure you looking at the Dewalt Palm Style collets and not the larger ones the palm router collets are at the middle of the page.

OOh, that’s an important piece of information! I was looking at the ones at the top. So if I’m after the 6/8mm bundle, I want the DWP-SETM and not the DW-SETM correct?

Also, I hadn’t really considered an 8mm shaft. Is it worthwhile getting into that? I guess it’s good for clearer out larger areas?

[WillAdams (William Adams (Carbide 3D))]

Yes, you want to be down at:

http://elairecorp.com/dewaltroutercollets.html#dwpanchor

8mm tooling is a lot more rigid, and has the additional advantage of nicely crossing the Imperial/metric divide being one of the sizes which is w/in tolerance for the other measurement system.

Unfortunately, pricey as well, IME. I’ve got the collet and one specialty endmill (a cove radius) but haven’t yet bought any others.

[Rodrigo (Rodrigo Constanzo)]

Phew! That was a close call as I had made a note to order from the top of the list there.

Last question on these. I have a 1/4" collet now, that came with the router. In looking at the list here, it shows that the 1/4" collet has a “Dewalt Part Number”. Would that correspond to the collet I presently have? Or, more precisely, is it worth also getting a 1/4" collet from here, as an upgrade from my default one.

[WillAdams (William Adams (Carbide 3D))]

Yes, the precision collets are much nicer than the stock collets and have lower runout and are well worth getting.

[Able (Donovan)]

Thank you for the link as I did not know I could run an 8mm endmill in my dewalt and I will be getting some to try now.

[gdon_2003 (Guy Donham Regular)]

When I got my collets from elaire.com I have a Dremel Diamond point engraving tool. You hold it like a big pencil. I engraved each collet so as to not mix them up later. The 1/4 inch and 6MM look the same but are not the same and are NOT interchangeable.

[rowiac (Roger A)]

I made the mistake of ordering a set of V-bits that had 6mm shafts and discovered that the 1/4" DeWalt collet on my old CNC machine would not tighten down enough the clamp them. Fortunately the difference was enough that it was obvious not to try to run it that way.

I ordered the 6mm and 1/8" collets from Elaire and they worked great. I’m now using a Carbide Compact Router, which uses Makita-style collets. But the DeWalt-style collets are nicer because the nut and collet stay together so there’s less fumbling around when you change cutter sizes.