XL and XXL Threaded Insert table Grid and Clamps


(Apollo Crowe) #1

Heres a few helpful Carbide Create files:
Work holding Clamps and a threaded insert grid pattern (with recesses) for the XL and XXL Shapeoko machines.

I was able to use the Makita router to cut the bed grid by flipping the collar upside down, which lets the router sit about .25" lower. By leaving the tool hanging out of the collet 1.75" you can get .65" deep into the wasteboard - just enough to drive the threaded inserts into the stock wasteboard.
As always, test your perimeter and extents before walking away for a coffee re-fill.

FYI: I made 2 separate grid files, one for the front and one for the back- I got tired of clicking circles so when I got half way through the job, I saved the file and then shifted the pattern to the front of the bed and saved it as “Front”

First time users; please check your Max Z depth twice! Be careful not to drive the Z carriage to low ( it will slip on the belt)

256 Holes and inserts on 2" centers.

Heres the Carbide Create “Rear” design view.

Makita router sitting as low as possible in the clamp with the collar flipped.

I didnt want to spin the inserts in the MDF, I used 5 on the dial and that worked.

EZ lok makes a M6 and a 1/4-20 version of this insert. (via amazon)

Cut Preview of the rear of the bed grid. the holes are 9mm and the recesses are 12mm.

The T 40 driver will work best IMO to drive these inserts.

After saving the “REAR” i shifted the pattern to the front.

Another view of the Makita sitting low.

Shapeoko CLAMPS quarter inch.c2d (1.2 MB)
XXL wasteboard FRONT.c2d (179.5 KB)
XXL Bed Grid Rear.c2d (179.3 KB)


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(J Greely) #2

Shouldn’t the clamps all be oriented the same way? If you cut them from wood, some of them are going to be prone to snapping across the grain. The first thing I cut on my Nomad was the clamp set, and I failed to realize that the grain in my cheap bamboo flooring ran the same way in all three layers. “Oh, snap.” :slight_smile:

(fortunately it snapped while testing outside the machine…)

-j


(Apollo Crowe) #3

@jgreely
Yes, Good call. Grain orientation is important thanks for mentioning that!

  • I used the pine material preview for some reason but this clamp file is actually intended for use in HDPE plastic.

(Jerry Gray) #4

I’m ordering the inserts now.
Did you use the 1/4" end mill for the holes in the table?
Thanks for the files. Nice!


(Temujin Kuechle) #5

I am about to surface and make a sea of holes for my washboard too.

I found a packet of 50 threaded inserts for wood (M6x13mm) on Amazon;

Are these the same type that you would recommend?
Thanks!


(F B) #6

I would get the flanged inserts if I were you. I purchased non-flanged, and every single one I put in bubbles my wasteboard slightly. I increased the size of the hole beyond what they recommend, still bubbles it.

I believe these are the ones Winston Moy used with success.


(Apollo Crowe) #7

@Tem
I prefer the inserts with a shoulder.
Also those inserts look long, double check your not going into the metal braces below the mdf.


(Temujin Kuechle) #8

EDIT: Thank you all for the advice and links!!

I found some Metric M6-13mm through Amazon, because I have a box of M6 hex head screws already.
There is also a company ZORO that seams to have a very affordable offer:

https://www.zoro.com/value-brand-threaded-insert-pk50-4zu87/i/G1497203/?gclid=CJWW2c2ep9ICFQFsfgod9FgOxw


(Jerry Gray) #9

Zoro is the cheapest hardware store I know of. But you have to word your searches just right.
They list things funny sometimes. Makes sense to their computers, no sense to a human.


(Robert) #10

Jim,
I took a different approach. I used t-nuts. Using 3/4 Mdf as my waste board I machined a through hole and a counter sink hole. Inserted the t-nuts, then flipped the Mdf over. I then resurfaced the top. This has two advantages… Th nuts won’t pull out or mushroom the Mdf, and I can resurface several more times before getting close to the nuts.

Here is a link to the t-nuts I used…


(Randy Hill) #11

Is it possible to assemble my new XXL with the waste board flipped upside down, so I can put my threaded inserts in, then when completed flip them both right side up. With a thru holes for access.
Thank you


(William Adams) #12

You’ll need a rather long endmill to accomplish that — there’s only so much travel which the machine has, and the shorter Z-axis spindle carriage plate means that there isn’t as much reach on the newer machines.

If you have a suitably long endmill, you might need to remove one of the springs also.

That said, I think it’s just much easier to instead buy a suitably large piece of MDF, use transfer punches and a drill to create a one-piece wasteboard to be part of the machine, then use the two piece ones as a spoilboard — you could stack them, and then flip the stack to make the cutting easier to manage.

The XL and XXL pretty much need to have a spoilboard, and maybe an intermediate layer as well.


(Randy Hill) #13

Thank you

I’ll make this work, I have access to larger machines.


(Jerry Gray) #14

That’s a good idea about removing one of the springs, because when I did the grid, that you donated for us, my z would skip toward the bottom of the hole, but wasn’t at the total limit of travel.
The only thing I could figure was the springs were pulling too hard at that point.


(Randy Hill) #15

If I added the mdf, wouldn’t I loose that height in the Z?


(William Adams) #16

Yes, but the XL and XXL are taller, and have unmeasured height compared to an SO3 — you’re not really losing anything, and the machine will work better.


(Gene Gore) #17

I just upgraded my XL wasteboad to 1" starboard HDPE. I created a patten and drilled it using the SO3, then spiral tapped it with a drill. It came out better than I imagined.


(Chris) #18

Interesting board material idea. How did the price stack up against a piece of MDF?


(Gene Gore) #19

It was closer to the price of .5" aluminum than to MDF. 120 bucks for a 2x4 piece, but it’s an inch thick.


(Les Hall) #20

I have an XL and it was doable on that. In fact I had to do the exact thing but for a different reason…