WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 18, 2022, 11:20pm
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Revisiting
Building from a couple of different ideas[1][2], and giving up on the perfection of void-free, and limiting tools to a reasonable number (2), I have arrived at:
https://www.blockscad3d.com/community/projects/1270618
which allows one to cut out a box in 2, 3 or 4 operations:
bottom (cut to size)
top (cut to size) — possibly combined w/ the bottom
front/back and one or both sides (repeat once for 2 operations if need be) — this will cut the joinery blind box joints and miter as well as feature…
for a hinged design — first, verify the concept by designing and cutting a prototype in Carbide Create, then going back and updating the 3D modeling.
First consideration is size — want it to use 3 bamboo cutting boards:
top
bottom
sides and front and back
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 18, 2022, 11:33pm
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First, the outlines need to be modified to allow for the hinged lid — draw and position a rectangle to cut out the board thickness which is less in width by twice the board thickness than the intended width of the box which has a fillet corner treatment greater than the radius of the tool which will be used:
Boolean subtract it from the front/back:
Duplicate this, mirror it and drag the duplicate into registration w/ the other front/back and delete the other:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 18, 2022, 11:57pm
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Draw in squares at two corners to stand in for the geometry:
Then draw a box which is twice as tall and wide as the region of the joinery:
and halve it in size:
and drag it into registration:
Note the height, in this case 25.3mm and divide it by the number of box joints fingers/pockets there will be (7 should work well):
25.3 / 7 == 3.61428571
Set the height to that:
Drag it into alignment w/ the structure and add a fillet corner treatment 10% larger than the radius of the smallest tool which will be used:
Create a rectangular array to fill in the joinery:
Draw in geometry for the rabbet for the bottom of the box:
and add a reference square for the top right corner and draw in the rabbet for the front/back as well:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 12:12am
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Select every other joinery element:
duplicate one and drag it into alignment at the top:
and set the corner treatment to square:
flip it vertically:
Drag things into alignment:
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Zman
(MICHAEL ZEMANEK)
March 19, 2022, 1:04am
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Very nice.
Post a pic of the finished project when you can
WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 1:04am
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Duplicate one of the joinery pieces and increase its size to encompass the board thickness and the radius of the tool (plus 10%) which will be cut out:
drag it into alignment w/ the original and repeat for the bottom of the box:
Delete the geometry which won’t be needed to clean things up:
Draw in geometry for the miter cut by the V endmill:
duplicate this for the front/back:
Duplicate the V endmill geometries and drag the duplicates back into registration:
Union a copy of the V endmill geometry and the joinery geometries for top/bottom:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 1:32am
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Duplicate the geometry for the parts and the joinery geometry:
mirror things horizontally:
and drag it back into alignment:
Boolean subtract the joinery geometry from the part outlines:
repeat as needed:
Draw in geometry to describe the center of the V carving:
Duplicate, mirror, and align the V carving geometry as well:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 1:38am
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Add dogbones to the rabbet geometry:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 2:23am
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Duplicate each finished part and drag it into alignment w/ the placeholder:
With all the geometry in place, begin creating layers and isolating each thing to an appropriate layer:
allowing one to isolate elements:
to work on.
For the finger depth geometry, we will need to offset the part geometry by the diameter of the endmill which will cut it out plus 10%:
Go into Node Edit mode to clean things up:
then delete anything which can’t be fixed when Node Editing and move to the appropriate layer:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 2:27am
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Since the finger depth is greater than the rabbet depth, we will need to duplicate the finger depth geometry to the rabbet depth layer:
Select the geometry for the sides and punch the rabbets for the bottom out:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 3:11am
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With all the geometry defined, toolpaths may now be created — select each layer in turn:
If the tool used for cutting out pockets is larger than the dogbones it will be necessary to offset things and do Boolean operations to get toolpaths which will handle cutting them w/ reasonable efficiency.
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 4:19am
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Select one of each part, duplicate it in place, and offset to the outside by the size of the dogbones:
and isolate the offset and duplicate geometry on a new layer:
Use Node editing to clean things up so as to optimize machine movement:
Draw in geometry to define where the toolpath should begin/end:
Use Node editing to break the geometry so that things will fit together:
Where necessary, draw in geometry to close things:
and use the Join Vectors command to join into a closed path:
Repeat.
Duplicate, mirror, and align w/ the joinery geometry:
Assign toolpaths:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 4:35am
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Lastly add geometry to cut out the top and bottom of each part:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 1:44pm
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The lid is simply a matter of drawing a rectangle of the appropriate size:
drawing in geometry for the finger recess for opening:
offsetting to the outside to the the lid out:
and drawing up the profile of the radius of the lid opening so as to calculate how deep a V carving needs to be to ease that (or one could source a corner radius tool of the correct size, or model it in 3D):
drawing in the geometry for the V carving:
and working out how the radius relief to allow the box opening will be done — one can either source a tool
(the exact size doesn’t seem to be available, but there is a close Imperial size)
which fortuitously is available at my local Woodcraft:
Ever wish you had one bit that you could use for numerous projects? Well, here it is! This pointed round over bit is unbelievably versatile and can be used for many projects, including fluting, beading, molding and even sign carving.
If that isn’t an option, draw things up in profile and work up a series of cuts w/ a ball-nosed endmill as suggested at:
Some folks have found it useful to reflect the webcam on a tablet/laptop down towards the keyboard, positioning a whiteboard or sketchbook or other flat object to project. Here’s a quick project for one:
https://www.blockscad3d.com/community/projects/1154421
[image]
It simply needs a small mirror, two SHCSs, and a matching coupler. It’s designed to be cut on a machine, but may need either a bit of cleanup w/ a file or chisel, or cutting in multiple orientations using suitable fixtures:
[im…
Or, if you have Carbide Create Pro, model the rounding using that:
Assigning toolpaths we arrive at:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 19, 2022, 7:33pm
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The bottom is simply a pair of nested rectangles of the appropriate size w/ an offset to create a rabbet:
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 20, 2022, 1:58pm
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The final consideration is that a jig/fixture will be necessary to allow drilling the holes for the hinges — this is easily drawn up in two symmetrical halves:
and one assigns toolpaths so as to cut it out of a left-over piece of stock:
Using two pieces allows us to cut channels which will become holes at 90 degrees:
Note that for such a shallow cut it will be necessary to set the origin relative to the surface for these cuts — the opposite of the rabbets, arguably this would be better on the lid.
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
March 20, 2022, 10:56pm
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Alternately, since there are two pieces w/ space to spare, make the pieces separately.
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
April 10, 2022, 6:16pm
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Wrote a bit about previewing the roundover cut using V endmills at:
These are usually used in routers for decorative effects in wood:
but they are potentially useful for joinery:
They are also useful for rounding off parts to allow rotary motion as for a hinged lid.
Unfortunately, Carbide Create does not support this endmill geometry — but using the new support for previewing a V endmill when used in a No Offset Contour toolpath, it should be possible to preview them w/ confidence by stacking a series of V endmill cuts.
The parts cut out well:
and cutting the holes for the hinges using the jig went well — found some bamboo skewers, but they are ~2.1mm diameter, so probably the #111 endmill would be better than the #121 .
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
April 10, 2022, 6:38pm
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and things fit together well:
not anticipating any issues w/ the glue-up (though using a roundover for relieving the sides of the lid would probably look better).
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WillAdams
(William Adams (Carbide 3D))
April 10, 2022, 6:41pm
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In case anyone else has some of the $1.25 (w/ inflation, the box is now $3.75) cutting boards from Dollar Tree, here are the files:
three_dollar_box - bottom.c2d (179.1 KB)
three_dollar_box - lid - 3D.c2d (180.8 KB)
three_dollar_box - lid.c2d (490.6 KB)
three_dollar_box.c2d (1.6 MB)
As noted above, the #121 should be replaced w/ a #111 , or whatever size matches what is being used for hinges.
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